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Ryanair boss sets sights on no-frills transatlantic flights with new airline | Business | The Guardian

Passengers could be taking budget flights between the US and Europe on a Ryanair-backed airline in less than three years, the low-cost carrier's chief executive claimed yesterday.

Michael O'Leary said plans to launch a no-frills transatlantic service had been bolstered by an industry downturn that could slash the cost of long-haul aircraft as rivals go bust or orders are cancelled.

The carrier would operate from up to nine bases on each side of the Atlantic, with Stansted, Frankfurt-Hahn and Rome-Fiumicino among the candidates for European hubs. Islip airport on Long Island is mooted as a New York base.

O'Leary said the airline could be launched 18 months after acquiring a new fleet next year. "There may be an opportunity to pick up cheap long-haul aircraft next year, in which case we might launch a low-cost, long-haul programme in two-and-a-half years," O'Leary said.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed Oct 8th, 2008 at 09:39:26 AM EST
Jeez. It's uncomfortable enough sitting on one of his planes for a couple of hours. I can't imagine doing it for 10 or so.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Oct 8th, 2008 at 10:13:09 AM EST
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The recorded announcement "we've landed safely and on time at airport X" complete with canned applause freaks me out.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed Oct 8th, 2008 at 10:18:24 AM EST
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He thinks people are going to continue flying no matter what.

He's probably right "no frills" is going to do better than higher-end airlines in a recession, but long-term...

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Oct 8th, 2008 at 10:30:17 AM EST
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corporations will always be able to pay 1,000-3,000 for plane tickets and business travel will not be killed by a 500 surcharge per flight.

Tourism, no-frills flights with prices at 100-500 will fare differently with such a surcharge.

(use the currency of your choice)

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Oct 8th, 2008 at 10:45:13 AM EST
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Sure, the business-class segment will survive. Are you saying the business class will provide a subsidy for the expensive airlines to bead no-frills at the tourist-class game? That sounds possible.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Oct 8th, 2008 at 10:48:19 AM EST
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They suggest that to some degree at the bottom of the article:

Ryanair boss sets sights on no-frills transatlantic flights with new airline | Business | The Guardian

Andrew Lobbenberg, analyst at Royal Bank of Scotland, warned that cheap fares between Europe and the US were available on traditional carriers such as British Airways and Air France-KLM, part-subsidised by the steep ticket prices levied on business customers.

"Long-haul fares are often quite cheap in economy - in part because they are subsidised by people in the front [of the aircraft]. It's not going to get consumers anything like as excited as low-cost short-haul," said Lobbenberg.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed Oct 8th, 2008 at 10:52:34 AM EST
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It's time to start thinking outside the box for the airline industry. Why even have seats?

Why not stacked three level beds? You could get huge numbers of people into a single plane.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Wed Oct 8th, 2008 at 12:07:25 PM EST
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Why not stacked three level beds?

Because you'd need good christian republicans patrolling then to make sure no rudeness happened that much closer to the sight of god.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Oct 8th, 2008 at 12:12:54 PM EST
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LOL

Thinking of it, you could save even more money by sharing bed with someone, just one ticket for two people!

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Wed Oct 8th, 2008 at 12:14:34 PM EST
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Just pile people on top of each other and call it The Flying Cluster-Fuck™.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Oct 8th, 2008 at 03:52:56 PM EST
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That reminds me of this graffiti back in 1968:

"Aimez-vous les uns sur les autres"...

"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char

by Melanchthon on Wed Oct 8th, 2008 at 05:14:29 PM EST
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I seriously think this is a good idea. With twice as many people on the plane, prices can be cut in half. That means a lot when your fuel bill starts inflating.

A lot of especially young people are ready to stand all kinds of discomforts to save some money on travelling.

For example, I once spent an entire night sleeping on the stone floor of Luton airport (no freaking benches!) waiting for a cheap flight to Marseille... just to save €50 on the ticket price.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Wed Oct 8th, 2008 at 05:34:58 PM EST
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Three business-only airlines - Eos, Maxjet, and Silverjet - filed for bankruptcy earlier this year. So I'm not sure how profitable the business market really is. First Class must be profitable, but there's a natural limit on the number of customers who can afford it - and some of those who can will have their own private jets anyway.

Ryan is naturally aiming for the cattle class market, but I don't think it's going to work. Prices would have to be incredibly low - under £100 - to make people want to give up the small comforts they need on an extended flight.

It might be viable with the usual local subsidies scam, but what are the chances of that working now?

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Oct 8th, 2008 at 12:13:47 PM EST
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of the cheap business class airline is not really that of the main airlines.

I don't take Air France because it's cheaper; I take it because I know I can take a flight two hours before or two hours later, or the next day instead of the one I booked.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Oct 8th, 2008 at 02:38:56 PM EST
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I don't have a clue how they can do it safely. Either those big guys are robbing us or those no frills are losing money (???).It's a huge difference in price to be explained with that little food or few extra staff...
Look what is happening with Qantas. Too often now they report some trouble with a plane in news. In order to save money they do not want to pay engineers to check the plane properly.They moved service in Asia.
I'll have to spend 28 hours in air next year when I visit Europe and to put it plainly I am scared as hell. It's always not pleasant trip but after all I hear lately about planes and companies...
by vbo on Wed Oct 8th, 2008 at 10:34:15 AM EST
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The no-frills are subsidised by the local governments of the places they fly to.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Oct 8th, 2008 at 10:37:51 AM EST
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In the early 1950s my grandparents, who were fairly well off (manager class), took a once-in-a-lifetime trip to Europe. They took the train from Colorado to NYC, then a ship (Queen Mary, maybe?) to London. They spent six weeks visiting England and France, particularly the places where my grandfather's WW-I army experiences had taken him. Then they came home.

My daughter and her London-based friend hop back and forth across the pond by airplane at a moment's notice to visit each other--and they are broke graduate students.

I suspect that there is a mid-point between these two extremes that we will eventually settle on...

by asdf on Wed Oct 8th, 2008 at 11:42:14 PM EST
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