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I have a brand new iMac.  It is gorgeous!  I can hardly believe it. I have no software really for it at the moment, on the lookout for CS2 for macs, but I should be able to buy a cheap version of office 2007 for students through the OU.

To mac users... which are the end and home keys?

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 12:51:39 PM EST
If you don't have other sources, Adobe does student deals too...
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 01:06:32 PM EST
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I have some important basics... firefox and someone's TribExt add on.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 01:21:30 PM EST
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How much can you get office for ? I live on wordpad, but i think I need to become more proficient with excel and access to pad my cv.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 01:22:44 PM EST
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60 day trial I think

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 05:27:06 PM EST
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Microsoft would never be so dumb as to actually sue anyone using office illegally...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 08:30:50 AM EST
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Bill Gates is on record on a BBC interview in saying he'd much rather you used a pirated copy of his software than use one of his opponents products.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 08:35:25 AM EST
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Its called mindshare. Once people are used to your software they won't want the hassle of changing and there is always a possibility that they will have to upgrade to a legit copy at some stage.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 09:01:02 AM EST
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More importantly, the goal is making it much easier for companies (who might realistically get sued) to use Office, for which the workforce is already trained, rather than one of the free competitors.

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by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 09:12:35 AM EST
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Software for personal use is increasingly free and expected to be so - its only when deployed by corporates that charging and suing becomes realistic

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 09:27:34 AM EST
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Which Apple keyboard do you have?

Do you have the big one like this one or the small one like this one?

I just purchased the wired big one and am very happy with it. It's the best keyboard I've ever used in 30 years of computering.

by Magnifico on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 01:24:09 PM EST
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I have the big one although the names on some of the keys are different.  It is so lovely.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 01:34:11 PM EST
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Right, I don't know why Apple doesn't show a UK keyboard on their UK website. Here is a picture (the top keyboard) of what I think you have.

Okay if it is anything like the American keyboard, then the home and end keys are the two keys directly above the arrow keys. So to the left of the keypad and to the right of the alpha-numeric keys, then up.

The behavior of the keys are a bit different on a Mac than on other operating systems. So if you're new to a Mac and are accustomed to different behavior, it can be changed. You may need to use the Terminal (application in utilities) and a Unix text editor (like pico, nano, or vi) to make these changes, rather then the GUI text editor.

I'm on a Windows box right now at work and cannot check my Mac at home.

by Magnifico on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 01:50:01 PM EST
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That's the one. Never had a mac before but I'm not fussed about resetting the keys or anything, I'll get the hang of it quick enough.

The thing I find really difficult to get used to is the fact that the letters are central on the keys, on pc keyboards they are off centre.  For some reason my brain keeps thinking that the letters are upside down on my mac keyboard.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 01:55:07 PM EST
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Home=apple key+left arrow

End=apple key+right arrow

Option+left or right arrow will move you one word either direction

Apple key+up or down arrow will take you to to the top/bottom of the doc or page

Check out the "keyboard shortcuts" in the 'help menu', they're incredibly helpful....

by gioele (gioele(daught)sandler(aaaattttt)gmail(daught)kom) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 01:48:48 PM EST
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thanks for the tip.  I think I have worked out which ones are the option and apple keys!

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 01:56:58 PM EST
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Ahh, on yours the command key (with the funny clover) is the apple key and the alt key is the option key.

If you go to the apple icon on the upper right of your screen and click on it, then click on 'System Preferences', wait till a window opens, then click on 'international', then click 'input menu' and then click on the 'keyboard viewer' box you can enable the keyboard viewer icon on the top right of your menu (should be a little UK flag icon). Once you do this you can click on the flag and open the keyboard viewer which allows you to see in real time what the combination of keys that you push will type. All those crazy symbols that you don't need until you need them and required you to memorize an ascii code in Windows.

If you want to change the keyboard layout to another language you can do this also in the international section of system preferences. Once enabled you can use the native Mac spell checker in other languages. To open the spell check window hit 'cmd+shift+semicolon', and to change the language click on the menu there....

by gioele (gioele(daught)sandler(aaaattttt)gmail(daught)kom) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 02:16:34 PM EST
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Thanks!

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 02:22:19 PM EST
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You've come into the light then?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 01:58:02 PM EST
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I've never been anti-mac, just anti itunes. And still am.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 02:13:54 PM EST
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I use iTunes only as  a player for my music that I have loaded from CDs.

I don't/won't buy songs from the itunes store.

I won't buy any crap with DRM and as long as I don't then iTunes leaves me alone to use my music as I see fit.

I also use it to interface with my iPhone and it works great....

Why don't you like iTunes? Because of the store?

by gioele (gioele(daught)sandler(aaaattttt)gmail(daught)kom) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 02:22:13 PM EST
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Many moons ago I had an ipod and downloaded itunes to my mac.  Aside from the amount of space it takes up when it is running I object to not being allowed to transfer music I have paid for onto new computers, new MP3 players etc because of the coding on music downloaded through itunes.  It forces you to stick with apple products.  I found an itunes burner and it took weeks bit by bit to transfer my music to MP3.

I don't intend to get an iphone and certainly won't be buying any ipods again or buying music through itunes.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 02:26:17 PM EST
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iTunes ate my music library. I will never, ever forgive it for that, or let it anywhere near my music again, except under laboratory conditions.

On the other hand, I did buy an iPhone today. I talked to an editor who was desperate for iPhone tutorials, and for a reasonably decent per-hour I can churn out a few of those, pay off the phone and the contract, and win overall.

I'd still have preferred a Nokia or something else with a real-ish keyboard, but no one wants tutorials for those.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 03:08:25 PM EST
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Is iPhoto as dangerous as iTunes?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 03:10:04 PM EST
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<slumps at keyboard, too depressed to bang head off desk>
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 03:18:56 PM EST
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I haven't spent a lot of time with it, but I don't remember it being obnoxious - photos don't have DRM and you should always be able to do a straight file copy to a different computer/file location if you want to back them up or use a different editor.

The problem with iTunes is that it's designed to lock you into the iTunes filing system. I don't think iPhoto does that - it probably couldn't even if it wanted to, without causing outrage, horror and bad words.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 03:20:24 PM EST
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I can't answer that, I don't have the comparative data.

But I will say my experience is that once your iPhoto library reaches a certain size (for me, as I remember, it was about 1000 photos, but it may depend on the size of the files created by your camera) you should always be taking regular backups of it, as bad things can happen.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 03:21:56 PM EST
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i'm almost up to 1000, and so far so good, although it's getting a bit sluggish.

thanks for reminding me to back them up!

i've heard iPhoto horror stories too.

oh yeah, in wales, keep 10G empty on your hard drive, and repair permissions every week or so.(in Disc Utility, in the Applications folder, in the Utilities folder), especially if you have downloaded anything from the net.

OS X needs 10G of free space to operate correctly.

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 05:04:52 PM EST
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Seconded.  I know several people who overloaded their IPhoto directories, and had constant problems.

On a related note, I refuse to Mac computers, stemming from my basic and complete incompatibility with the Mac interface, a problem I've had since childhood, before Windows had been invented.

I switched from WMP to iTunes a few years ago due to the horrible shuffle system on WMP.  When you'd skip a song, it would always go right back to that song after it finished the one you skipped, so I was constantly drug back to a song I didn't want to listen to at that moment.  iTunes does not have that problem.  All of my music is off CD's and such non-protected sources, so I've really not had the problems that some have reported.  I was aware of its drawbacks before I started using it, and have been keen to avoid them.

by Zwackus on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 05:47:46 PM EST
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I never worked out how to plug the ipod in without it automatically synching to the library - which meant that I couldn't move my music collection off itunes to free up space on the HDD because it would have wiped everything from the ipod.  Those little things...

My sister managed to lose her entire music collection from itunes too.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 03:14:38 PM EST
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Was it iTunes for Windows?

If so, I'd not blame it on the tunes but on BG and his crapware...

;-p

by gioele (gioele(daught)sandler(aaaattttt)gmail(daught)kom) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 03:31:28 PM EST
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No, it was on a Mac.

BG has a plenty to answer for, but the crappiness of iTunes isn't on his burn-in-hell list. ;)

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 03:44:07 PM EST
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Itunes is the one piece of software that Is truly, truly abysmal, I did make the mistake of installing it, having been told that it was the easiest way of converting between formats. what I hadnt been told was it has an utterly, utterly rediculous way of organising your files. whereas every other piece of music software downloads an albumn into a single folder, iTunes stupidly uses the artist names as folder labels, so if you have a couple of tracks  labeld as being by an artist featuring another artist, they dont get stored as part of the album Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh. leaves you sort of marooned on iTunes, or with a broken storage structure on everything else.  Or the fact that every now and then, for no good reason, it duplicates half my music in its own database so suddenly  I have two versions of almost every track. and the only way to remove them is by hand.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 05:38:37 PM EST
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my fave itunes 'DUH' is it gives you the option of finding duplicates, it finds them, but then you can't destroy them with one click, you have to do it one by one....DUH!!!!
the podcast feed sucks pretty good too.

my ipod died after two months, weak.

now i have a zoom h2, which is a great little stereo live recorder as well as flash drive WAV or mp3 recorder/player.

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 08:55:56 PM EST
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I just asked a Finnair pilot friend to acquire an H2 for me on his next flight East - some 110 € I believe.

I've been talking to some sound engineers with hands-on knowledge of the H2. There's a lot of handling noise, so a little tripod is essential, and the ext. mic preamps are crap apparently. But I have some side jobs where it'll make life a lot easier and pay for itself with the first one.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 05:17:14 AM EST
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it comes with a little tripod, and a windglove.

the onboard mikes are outstanding, so no need for external. i have recorded using line in and it's fine.

the best attribute is the ability to dump WAV files straight to the puta, and v.v.

burn a cd of rehearsal in minutes! or throw it on a usb drive.

watch the sensitivity switch. high can distort easy. low is real low.

it's light, small, tough, and good on battery power, rechargeable AA's last 2-3 hrs, and it takes bigger flash drives, tho' i am happy with 2G.

sweet lil gizmo, especially at the price.

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 06:13:17 AM EST
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Wait till 09, Nokia have some amazing business phones coming out. Can't tell you details though - NDA ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 05:10:26 PM EST
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it's too late.  the iPhone is already both sorting out its release probs, and the updates and next gen are simply too advanced.  the actual problem is not with the phones, but with the providers.  3G ain't sorted yet, but when it works, it's awesome.

people talk/write about not having a keyboard.  when you've learned the system, it's much speedier, intelligent writing software, and the easiest path to detailed...

oh shit, i hate to get into apple discussions.  the advantages are so serious, and the opposition so blind, it tears my heart.

Let me put it this way, and now i'm talking about Mac systems as well as the iPhone, but i save thousands of euros a year by not dealing with shit.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 05:18:16 PM EST
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Crazy Horse:
people talk/write about not having a keyboard.  when you've learned the system, it's much speedier, intelligent writing software, and the easiest path to detailed...

Would you want to write and edit a thousand words on it?

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 06:33:45 PM EST
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who writes and edits a thousand words (i assume in one doc) on a phone?  for emails and sms its a dream.  after a few hours its second nature, and for me at least, far quicker.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 06:50:31 PM EST
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I've done that on a Communicator more than a few times, and I used to do it on a pocketable Psion. It wasn't as fast or convenient as a laptop, but sometimes a laptop isn't convenient. Or possible.

The Communicator wasn't so bad for emails or sms either. It was also pretty damn convenient as an extended-form idea pad. Notepad is not an equivalent, for all kinds of reasons.

So - less of the 'blind' please. Sometimes if someone doesn't instantly love an Apple product to absolute bits, there may be good practical reasons for that.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 07:29:05 PM EST
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TBG, you're an exception to the rule.  Most of us don't have your experience with all kinds of devices.  This one, the iPhone, is simply a treasure to most of us.  It makes reading and responding on the internet so easy for us, with software i call elegant.

I bow to those with far more experience, but in the world-view of unsophisticated but harried drones like me, this is a dream.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 07:40:58 PM EST
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For those of us who are optically challenged, handwriting recognition is the only way to input text. My SE 910i has a large screen - the bottom half produces lower case, the centre produces caps, and numbers at the top. Though if I need umlauts and special characters I have to switch 'keyboard'.

There was a short learning curve, but I soon got to do it without looking at the screen - which is what I do to surreptitiously make notes in meetings occasionally. I prefer to go to meetings 'naked' - just face, hands and voice. Invite me into a meeting room with heads buried behind laptop screens and I'll ask them 'why didn't we do this online?'

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 02:55:25 AM EST
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I've done a couple of hundred, with my big mutant thumbs. Now, I was sitting on a beach with C asleep in my lap and I had very little else to do,  but it is doable. The text didn't need much more clean-up when I was done, though I wouldn't be doing final editing on it, or any other device that small.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 03:03:40 AM EST
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itunes is a hulking piece of sh*t excuse for a software package. Much like the ultra-bloatware adobe acrobat reader.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 02:27:41 PM EST
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I have good reasons for hating it then.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 02:57:53 PM EST
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I've got the latest version of OpenOffice on my mac and it is a good free open source substitute for those of us who don't want to give any money to the MicroSoft goliath.

OpenOffice.org

I also use Gimp for image editing, another open source product, instead of PS. Works great for me....

Gimp

by gioele (gioele(daught)sandler(aaaattttt)gmail(daught)kom) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 01:59:05 PM EST
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I've used gimp before.  I'm after CS2 and bridge for the tagging and filing options plus the general editing.

Didn't know about OpenOffice, thanks for that tip.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 02:15:52 PM EST
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CS2 is up to CS4, which is being released Nov/Dec.

CS2 can be slow and cranky, especially when starting up. CS3 is somewhat smoother. I have a beta of CS4 somewhere, but betas make me nervous so I'm waiting for the full version before I try it out.

From what I've heard CS4 has a few nice new features, but Photoshop itself isn't incredibly spiffed up or different.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 03:13:38 PM EST
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I meant CS3.  I heard that CS4 is due out soon.  I can get a student discount through the college but still, it's expensive.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 03:16:59 PM EST
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Ouch, still £177 thats not cheap.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 05:42:10 PM EST
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£177 isn't an unfair price for Photoshop.

Photoshop Elements is about £80, but I could never get my brain around the Elements approach. It's like most of Photoshop, only - not.

Also, the filing system is so bad that I can't even think about it without clutching my head and making pitiful weeping sounds.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 06:48:52 PM EST
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I bought Elements for my daughter, tried it out myself and went back to PS. The stitching algorithm was the only thing that impressed me in Elements.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 02:58:06 AM EST
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Not cheap but as TBG says still a fair price and I need that software.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 04:37:44 AM EST
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Don't bother with commercial stuff - download the very serviceable Open Office free. http://www.openoffice.org/

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by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 04:43:32 PM EST
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What happens when I need to open MS office based documents?

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 04:38:16 AM EST
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You can.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 04:41:30 AM EST
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You can also ask people to please save word focuments as RTF and spreadsheets as CSV. There is little justification for producing a working document that can't be supported by those two formats.

If you're unfortunate enough to get an Office2007 document (file extensions ending with 'x') you can find conversion tools on the web. In fact they are not compatible with earlier versions of Office so even if you were on Windows XP you'd have trouble and people need to know better. But of course, if they are running Vista and Office2007 they don't know better.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 04:49:02 AM EST
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I'm familiar with the problems caused by docx files, we've been upgraded to 2007 at work.

I suspect I am unlikely to really need to get MS office given how little I use it at home anyway - plus if I did need it my laptop is still fine. I got the mac mainly for photo editing.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 05:01:27 AM EST
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Though i do use Pages, which opens most anything, i also use the mac version of Open Office, which is NeoOffice. A bit clugy, but get's the job done.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 05:47:44 AM EST
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The point is that if you have trouble using Office documents on your Mac it's Microsoft's fault, not Apple's.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 06:36:00 AM EST
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I've tried installing OpenOffice, but I'm not sure how best to get started with it - it seems to be freezing for a bit when I click on the icon.

Is textedit part of it?

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 06:41:55 AM EST
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I believe Open Office comes packaged with a bunch of X11 applications. Textedit might be one of them.

It takes a while to open Open Office on my MacBook - you have to realise that "office productivity" software is inevitably bloatware. When I need to write a letter I use TeX. It runs way faster, looks prettier and produces smaller files.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 06:49:36 AM EST
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Perhaps I'm being too impatient then, since everything else is so quick.

the X11 box thing comes up and the textedit but none of the others. Off for the weekend soon so I'll try again when I'm back.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 07:17:35 AM EST
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Textedit is a standard Mac OS X app. Your Staroffice isn't working right.

I gave up on it: I use Pages generally, and I have a copy of Office '07 for emergencies.

I wouldn't bother buying Office unless I was actually having problems on a regular basis.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 07:22:53 AM EST
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welcome to macworld!

i dunno about the home key, but the end (i think i know what you mean) is apple (command) right arrow.

top of page is apple up arrow.

i have an imac for my music right now, it is a thing of utter beauty. (fetish alert!)

you actually have a bunch of good software on it already. wait till you see your pix up on that screen!

if it's brand new, it has leopard on it as OS, right?

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 04:44:27 PM EST
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