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by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 01:58:02 PM EST
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I've never been anti-mac, just anti itunes. And still am.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 02:13:54 PM EST
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I use iTunes only as  a player for my music that I have loaded from CDs.

I don't/won't buy songs from the itunes store.

I won't buy any crap with DRM and as long as I don't then iTunes leaves me alone to use my music as I see fit.

I also use it to interface with my iPhone and it works great....

Why don't you like iTunes? Because of the store?

by gioele (gioele(daught)sandler(aaaattttt)gmail(daught)kom) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 02:22:13 PM EST
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Many moons ago I had an ipod and downloaded itunes to my mac.  Aside from the amount of space it takes up when it is running I object to not being allowed to transfer music I have paid for onto new computers, new MP3 players etc because of the coding on music downloaded through itunes.  It forces you to stick with apple products.  I found an itunes burner and it took weeks bit by bit to transfer my music to MP3.

I don't intend to get an iphone and certainly won't be buying any ipods again or buying music through itunes.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 02:26:17 PM EST
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iTunes ate my music library. I will never, ever forgive it for that, or let it anywhere near my music again, except under laboratory conditions.

On the other hand, I did buy an iPhone today. I talked to an editor who was desperate for iPhone tutorials, and for a reasonably decent per-hour I can churn out a few of those, pay off the phone and the contract, and win overall.

I'd still have preferred a Nokia or something else with a real-ish keyboard, but no one wants tutorials for those.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 03:08:25 PM EST
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Is iPhoto as dangerous as iTunes?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 03:10:04 PM EST
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<slumps at keyboard, too depressed to bang head off desk>
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 03:18:56 PM EST
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I haven't spent a lot of time with it, but I don't remember it being obnoxious - photos don't have DRM and you should always be able to do a straight file copy to a different computer/file location if you want to back them up or use a different editor.

The problem with iTunes is that it's designed to lock you into the iTunes filing system. I don't think iPhoto does that - it probably couldn't even if it wanted to, without causing outrage, horror and bad words.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 03:20:24 PM EST
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I can't answer that, I don't have the comparative data.

But I will say my experience is that once your iPhoto library reaches a certain size (for me, as I remember, it was about 1000 photos, but it may depend on the size of the files created by your camera) you should always be taking regular backups of it, as bad things can happen.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 03:21:56 PM EST
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i'm almost up to 1000, and so far so good, although it's getting a bit sluggish.

thanks for reminding me to back them up!

i've heard iPhoto horror stories too.

oh yeah, in wales, keep 10G empty on your hard drive, and repair permissions every week or so.(in Disc Utility, in the Applications folder, in the Utilities folder), especially if you have downloaded anything from the net.

OS X needs 10G of free space to operate correctly.

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 05:04:52 PM EST
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Seconded.  I know several people who overloaded their IPhoto directories, and had constant problems.

On a related note, I refuse to Mac computers, stemming from my basic and complete incompatibility with the Mac interface, a problem I've had since childhood, before Windows had been invented.

I switched from WMP to iTunes a few years ago due to the horrible shuffle system on WMP.  When you'd skip a song, it would always go right back to that song after it finished the one you skipped, so I was constantly drug back to a song I didn't want to listen to at that moment.  iTunes does not have that problem.  All of my music is off CD's and such non-protected sources, so I've really not had the problems that some have reported.  I was aware of its drawbacks before I started using it, and have been keen to avoid them.

by Zwackus on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 05:47:46 PM EST
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I never worked out how to plug the ipod in without it automatically synching to the library - which meant that I couldn't move my music collection off itunes to free up space on the HDD because it would have wiped everything from the ipod.  Those little things...

My sister managed to lose her entire music collection from itunes too.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 03:14:38 PM EST
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Was it iTunes for Windows?

If so, I'd not blame it on the tunes but on BG and his crapware...

;-p

by gioele (gioele(daught)sandler(aaaattttt)gmail(daught)kom) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 03:31:28 PM EST
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No, it was on a Mac.

BG has a plenty to answer for, but the crappiness of iTunes isn't on his burn-in-hell list. ;)

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 03:44:07 PM EST
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Itunes is the one piece of software that Is truly, truly abysmal, I did make the mistake of installing it, having been told that it was the easiest way of converting between formats. what I hadnt been told was it has an utterly, utterly rediculous way of organising your files. whereas every other piece of music software downloads an albumn into a single folder, iTunes stupidly uses the artist names as folder labels, so if you have a couple of tracks  labeld as being by an artist featuring another artist, they dont get stored as part of the album Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh. leaves you sort of marooned on iTunes, or with a broken storage structure on everything else.  Or the fact that every now and then, for no good reason, it duplicates half my music in its own database so suddenly  I have two versions of almost every track. and the only way to remove them is by hand.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 05:38:37 PM EST
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my fave itunes 'DUH' is it gives you the option of finding duplicates, it finds them, but then you can't destroy them with one click, you have to do it one by one....DUH!!!!
the podcast feed sucks pretty good too.

my ipod died after two months, weak.

now i have a zoom h2, which is a great little stereo live recorder as well as flash drive WAV or mp3 recorder/player.

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 08:55:56 PM EST
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I just asked a Finnair pilot friend to acquire an H2 for me on his next flight East - some 110 € I believe.

I've been talking to some sound engineers with hands-on knowledge of the H2. There's a lot of handling noise, so a little tripod is essential, and the ext. mic preamps are crap apparently. But I have some side jobs where it'll make life a lot easier and pay for itself with the first one.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 05:17:14 AM EST
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it comes with a little tripod, and a windglove.

the onboard mikes are outstanding, so no need for external. i have recorded using line in and it's fine.

the best attribute is the ability to dump WAV files straight to the puta, and v.v.

burn a cd of rehearsal in minutes! or throw it on a usb drive.

watch the sensitivity switch. high can distort easy. low is real low.

it's light, small, tough, and good on battery power, rechargeable AA's last 2-3 hrs, and it takes bigger flash drives, tho' i am happy with 2G.

sweet lil gizmo, especially at the price.

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 06:13:17 AM EST
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Wait till 09, Nokia have some amazing business phones coming out. Can't tell you details though - NDA ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 05:10:26 PM EST
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it's too late.  the iPhone is already both sorting out its release probs, and the updates and next gen are simply too advanced.  the actual problem is not with the phones, but with the providers.  3G ain't sorted yet, but when it works, it's awesome.

people talk/write about not having a keyboard.  when you've learned the system, it's much speedier, intelligent writing software, and the easiest path to detailed...

oh shit, i hate to get into apple discussions.  the advantages are so serious, and the opposition so blind, it tears my heart.

Let me put it this way, and now i'm talking about Mac systems as well as the iPhone, but i save thousands of euros a year by not dealing with shit.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 05:18:16 PM EST
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Crazy Horse:
people talk/write about not having a keyboard.  when you've learned the system, it's much speedier, intelligent writing software, and the easiest path to detailed...

Would you want to write and edit a thousand words on it?

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 06:33:45 PM EST
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who writes and edits a thousand words (i assume in one doc) on a phone?  for emails and sms its a dream.  after a few hours its second nature, and for me at least, far quicker.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 06:50:31 PM EST
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I've done that on a Communicator more than a few times, and I used to do it on a pocketable Psion. It wasn't as fast or convenient as a laptop, but sometimes a laptop isn't convenient. Or possible.

The Communicator wasn't so bad for emails or sms either. It was also pretty damn convenient as an extended-form idea pad. Notepad is not an equivalent, for all kinds of reasons.

So - less of the 'blind' please. Sometimes if someone doesn't instantly love an Apple product to absolute bits, there may be good practical reasons for that.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 07:29:05 PM EST
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TBG, you're an exception to the rule.  Most of us don't have your experience with all kinds of devices.  This one, the iPhone, is simply a treasure to most of us.  It makes reading and responding on the internet so easy for us, with software i call elegant.

I bow to those with far more experience, but in the world-view of unsophisticated but harried drones like me, this is a dream.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 07:40:58 PM EST
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For those of us who are optically challenged, handwriting recognition is the only way to input text. My SE 910i has a large screen - the bottom half produces lower case, the centre produces caps, and numbers at the top. Though if I need umlauts and special characters I have to switch 'keyboard'.

There was a short learning curve, but I soon got to do it without looking at the screen - which is what I do to surreptitiously make notes in meetings occasionally. I prefer to go to meetings 'naked' - just face, hands and voice. Invite me into a meeting room with heads buried behind laptop screens and I'll ask them 'why didn't we do this online?'

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 02:55:25 AM EST
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I've done a couple of hundred, with my big mutant thumbs. Now, I was sitting on a beach with C asleep in my lap and I had very little else to do,  but it is doable. The text didn't need much more clean-up when I was done, though I wouldn't be doing final editing on it, or any other device that small.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 03:03:40 AM EST
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itunes is a hulking piece of sh*t excuse for a software package. Much like the ultra-bloatware adobe acrobat reader.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 02:27:41 PM EST
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I have good reasons for hating it then.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 02:57:53 PM EST
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