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type of project is 'near and dear' to me. If you like, you can read my earlier diaries on the subject of a land LLC, which would be a vehicle for a variety of 'intentional community'. Most of the 'intentions' would have to do with energy, food, and co-operative work/ownership issues.

I have a chartered LLC with a set of bylaws, but I am currently what we called in Texas "land poor". In typical Texas' style, it means the opposite of what it seems to say. IOW I have too much land, which means less money. If I had sold one particular property this year, I would be starting to implement my land LLC this month. But I didn't, so I'm not.

I am interested in this project and can invest, but I agree with Chris that the approach is a key matter, both in terms of organization and of equity. However, I would like to hear from Chris how energy-units can be the 'currency' for those of us who are not in the service area of the turbine?

Here are a few other suggestions and questions:

  1. make no move in the U.S. until the Obama administration and the new state administrations lay out their renewable energy programs in 2009. There are few states with feed-in tariffs here, and those programs seem to be fading. On the other hand there are many recent and new state mandates for varying %s of electricity generated from renewables. Some states will be trying to reconcile program with mandate.

  2. I told nb41 that I would write a diary soon about the three-PUD LLC in Klickitat County for wind turbine development. I have good contacts there who will fill in the details. I think that there is a chance that we could piggy-back on their activities, in which case we would be part of a large enterprise with concomitant purchasing power. (Yes, it's a turbine sellers' market, but there are related matters of construction, transmission infrastructure, etc. that can reduce overall expenses.)  2a) The downside is that our electric rates here are low, so the income side of the equation is reduced.  2b) The upside is that the wind resource here is very good.  2c) No feed-in tariff in WA - yet.

  3. In Europe where are the logical locations? What are the electric rates in various regions/countries? Are the countries generally set up to integrate wind-generated electricity? Which states have feed-in tariffs or capital tax credits? Are there projects which we could join in some sense, but maintain an independent operation/organization?


paul spencer
by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Wed Nov 12th, 2008 at 12:11:58 AM EST
paul spencer:
I am interested in this project and can invest, but I agree with Chris that the approach is a key matter, both in terms of organization and of equity. However, I would like to hear from Chris how energy-units can be the 'currency' for those of us who are not in the service area of the turbine?

Such units would be more likely to be accepted as currency in the area where you can redeem them. They would always have a value equivalent to the local market price of electricity, since if the price falls much below that locals would have an interest in buying them for use against their own consumption.

Acceptability outside the area would require a clearing system, and currently this depends on the reach of the local utility who would accept them for redemption, and thereby would act as billing partner, for a fee.

I see the current transaction-based electricity model changing to a service provider model, by the way. The present model is entirely dysfunctional.

I've been asked twice now by the Iranian National Grid to help them set up an electricity market on the UK, US, Nordpool model with trading intermediaries. these markets are not IMHO fit for purpose and are detrimental to the interest of consumers, not to mention the environment.

I told the Iranians that this may be what they want, but it's not IMHO what they need, and to find another consultant who will take their money - not that easy for Iran....!

I digress.

I guess there could well be a market on a town's website, where people could post them for sale.

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Wed Nov 12th, 2008 at 04:02:22 AM EST
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