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Having been married in Califonia, and having just gone to weddings in Cannes and Milano, I must quibble a little.

In the Catholic wedding, the priest and congregation certainly thought that TheirGod had sanctioned the wedding and the couple. With all the joy in the room, I'm not certain that they would be wrong. I don't know if Italian law says that they have to have a civil ceremony before.

The civil authority wasn't too abstract, nor were the expectations during the ceremony in Cannes. Everyone knew what they were getting out of the package. They could have gotten a religious ceremony on top of that, but didn't.

The problem in California is that there is a discrimination issue that won't go away since the door is too open and there are too many precedents. The courts will again and again slap that way. The state sanctions and approves certain things, among them certain legal immunities, tax and estate privileges, and things like hospital visits, among others.

The problem, of course, is not just those silly Californians, but the federal law that inseminates insinuates the marriage rights of another state into all states.

I'm sure that someone pointed out that in previous centuries, when the Mormons were being slaughtered for being too 'other' that they had a MotivatedProcreationalPlan. But it hasn't been promoted for a long time. I don't know much about the religion, but most of them are pretty straight-laced.

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Sun Nov 16th, 2008 at 10:47:26 AM EST
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siegestate:
In the Catholic wedding, the priest and congregation certainly thought that TheirGod had sanctioned the wedding and the couple. With all the joy in the room, I'm not certain that they would be wrong.

That's totems for you. Would there have been any less joy among pagans or buddhists?

siegestate:

They could have gotten a religious ceremony on top of that, but didn't.

If you're not part of a sub-community, its rituals won't have any mojo for you and you're unlikely to bother with them.

The difference with civil ceremonies is that there are legal and financial rights, expectations and privileges.

Anthropological nuance aside, denying those to a group is discriminatory.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun Nov 16th, 2008 at 11:46:28 AM EST
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The difference with civil ceremonies is that there are legal and financial rights, expectations and privileges.

Difficult not to concur, since I made the same point.

Anthropological nuance aside, denying those to a group is discriminatory.

I also said the same, minus the smear on AnthropologicalNuanceTM. I don't feel like dragging this out, but one must agree that there is more to life than legal and financial rights, expectations and privileges. I can't think of any, but certainly there must be something.

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Mon Nov 17th, 2008 at 03:48:56 AM EST
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