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Really really ... this is a first.....

http://www.cnbc.com//id/27641538

See how some heads explode....

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I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Wed Nov 12th, 2008 at 10:50:59 AM EST
Yes, Moon of Alabama mentioned it as well. Seems as tho' Bush has just about managed to empty the vault before the feds come in.

And now everyone will blame Obama for the crap he'll have to do to rebuild the bank balance. Course he could shut down a wastefully large part of the military, but I cannot imagine that being considered acceptable to the Imperialists.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Nov 12th, 2008 at 11:03:13 AM EST
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Just losing Triple A rating is enough to bring the US budget down in dust. Borrowing gets even more expensive because the risk is higher for the lender.

"Hello, my name is Uncle Sam, and I am addicted to debt...."

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Nov 12th, 2008 at 11:17:07 AM EST
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Clusterfuck Nation by Jim Kunstler
 Even the progressive factions of the public may be in for much more "change" than they bargained for. The global economy as we knew it is finished (despite British PM Gordon Brown's fatuous suggestion that we are ready to formalize it). The world is about to lose its "flatness" (sorry Tom Friedman) and get much rounder. For one thing, the racket of American "consumers" gobbling up the output of Asian factories in exchange for paper promises is over. For the moment, the Chinese are struggling with epic factory closures with the sudden prospect of a restive lumpenproletariet. The situation there is bound to get worse. Before long, these broke-and-hungry masses may actually challenge the present government. In the meantime, there's no telling what the (unelected) Chinese government might do either to keep itself in power, or genuinely defend its country's perceived economic interests. One thing is self-evident: we are not returning to the old racket of toys-for-treasury-bills.

lead toys and melamine petfood for toxic paper, whatta deal!

castles built on sand...

The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it. Chinese Proverb.

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Nov 12th, 2008 at 11:35:26 AM EST
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And an huge porn industry, catering for all tastes. Including doom.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Nov 12th, 2008 at 11:49:31 AM EST
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There is a problem with this analysis... a reduction of oil consumption in cars.. or a shift to battery is all it takes to overcome any decline in oil production... once oil is out of the question a major investment in energy production can compensate the new emerging car model... and we have plenty of sources of energy...If yo make the numbers, a car transition starting within a year will take at msot 10 years... covering all the oil depletion... int hese ten years youa hve to produce the energy.. ad eergy projcts last around 5 years...3 years if pressed...

the only question is how abrupt or tender the transition will be... but there is no doom scenario I can foresee... I think even a great depression is almost impossible, given the money that can be invested in energy and new car productions....

but it can be a bumpy road ,lasting even a decade in the worst case cenario...a dt he capitalsim at the end of te road will be very different...

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Wed Nov 12th, 2008 at 12:04:03 PM EST
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Nobody will buy your books or pay you for speaking if you say things like that.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Nov 12th, 2008 at 12:12:38 PM EST
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Would it help if I sa that the trasnition can be very very tough... and as krugman says the worst sicne the Great Depression?

Oh.. well this is soemthing Krugman already says.. and I guess eh gets fees... I just ened a noble prize.. I will keep on working on it..

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Wed Nov 12th, 2008 at 12:34:18 PM EST
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Not really.  You can't get too worked up over what the pencil-necks on CNBC say about spending.  CNBC makes Faux News look like MSNBC's primetime lineup.  Almost all of the guests -- Barry Ritholz of Big Picture, (occasionally) Paul Krugman, and some others are exceptions -- are right-wing hacks looking for a handout and any way they can come up with to gut the welfare state.  So of course they're going to start whining about fiscal discipline now.  Surely you didn't buy the silly idea that these losers were principled.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed Nov 12th, 2008 at 12:24:50 PM EST
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First time ever someone suggests closing military bases....

heads explode...:)

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Wed Nov 12th, 2008 at 12:35:50 PM EST
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Actually the article suggested closing all military bases. That really is a first. (The U.S. has closed bases in the past, such as some of those in Germany.)
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Nov 12th, 2008 at 05:12:05 PM EST
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You are doomed, Drew, doomed I tell you. Run. Run for your life...

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Nov 12th, 2008 at 04:51:38 PM EST
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Ha.  If that crowd says I'm d00m3d, things must be looking pretty good.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed Nov 12th, 2008 at 05:18:28 PM EST
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Holy Macro!

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Nov 12th, 2008 at 11:12:51 AM EST
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Its only some pundit trying to make noise for his company, right now.

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed Nov 12th, 2008 at 11:19:00 AM EST
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This has been used in the past (by Standard & Poor's, for exemple) to push for budget cuts in - you guessed it - "unsustainable" social or healthcare spending.

What's new is that they mention cuts in the military budget, but the same call comes - really - from the Pentagon...


Pentagon board says cuts essential - Tells Obama to slash large weapons programs
November 10, 2008

WASHINGTON - A senior Pentagon advisory group, in a series of bluntly worded briefings, is warning President-elect Barack Obama that the Defense Department's current budget is "not sustainable," and he must scale back or eliminate some of the military's most prized weapons programs.



In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Nov 12th, 2008 at 11:20:57 AM EST
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The first time "and heads explode" was of course the talk about having to close military bases all around the world..

really it is a first in MSM american media.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Wed Nov 12th, 2008 at 11:40:24 AM EST
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with all the causes for head explosions we hear about, it gets a bit confusing at times...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Nov 12th, 2008 at 11:56:25 AM EST
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There was a story about the Obama people slashing weapons systems the other day.  This would provide some nice cover.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed Nov 12th, 2008 at 12:13:00 PM EST
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This is to say nothing of the fact that, in a new report from PriceWaterhouseCoopers, the savings from getting out of Iraq ($120bn annually) would free up more than enough money in the budget for the health care bill ($75bn) and the energy bill ($15bn).  Now that still obviously leaves us with a hole, since much of it is off-budget borrowing, but still, our capacity to do what we need to do is easily there before he's even repealed the Bush tax cuts.  And, if needed, he could scrap the middle- and working-class tax cuts -- not likely for now but certainly doable once things get moving again -- and easily put us in pretty good shape.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed Nov 12th, 2008 at 02:07:01 PM EST
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Not concerned for now.  In other news, Krugman's getting an early Xmas gift:

Hopeful signs on health care

This is very big news. One of the key questions about the new Democratic majority was whether Congress would try to play it safe, backing down on big ideas about reform, especially on health care. You can view the whole chorus about how we're still a "center-right nation" as an attempt by the usual suspects to scare Democrats into scaling back their ambitions.

But now Max Baucus -- Max Baucus! -- is leading the charge on a health care plan that, at least at first read, is more like Hillary Clinton's than Barack Obama's; that is, it looks like an attempt at full universality. (The word I hear, by the way, is that Obama's opposition to mandates was tactical politics, not conviction -- so he may well be prepared to do the right thing now that the election is won.)

So this looks very good for the reformers. There's now a reasonable chance that universal health care will be enacted next year!

Presumably Baucus has been in touch with Kennedy about health care proposals.  If we can get guys like Baucus on board so easily, this is looking very, very good.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed Nov 12th, 2008 at 12:18:04 PM EST
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