That's very interesting.

I'm wondering how equality/fairness works into this. This is the other major attribute that the Washington consensus has undermined, but I can't see how it relates to the stability/flexibility tradeoff (the fact that social equality tends to correlate with stability in Western economies does not mean that this must always be the case).

Also, now that I think about it, I'm not sure that flexibility can always serve as a stand-in for efficiency. Did rail privatization in the UK make rail travel more efficient?

Just some random thoughts...

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 10:27:45 AM EST
"Efficiency" is defined in dollar terms, not in "happiness". Since the only part of the utility function that counts is that which can be monetized, late trains don't really count.

In short, the UK trains got more efficient for some people. Not the employees nor the clients, possibly...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 10:54:31 AM EST
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I meant efficiency in a macro sense, not a business case sense. When the cost of late employees, lost work hours, longer daycare times etc. is taken into account, the utility for the economy as a whole is negative.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 01:02:00 PM EST
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I meant to put in more caveats that the actual practice of deregulation or privatisation doesn't in fact deliver the advertised benefits of "efficiency" or "greater prosperity" - but that is how it is sold.

The key point is that even in the cases where it does increase "efficiency", something else goes down  - "stability" as I've named it - and the cost of that tradeoff is largely not taken into account.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 01:07:45 PM EST
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But that cost is usually born by the employees, not by the employer. "My train was late" is not an acceptable excuse for being late to work (although for some reason "there was a traffic jam on the highway" is, although they occur with the same predictable consistency as late trains... I guess it must be that the bosses do cars and not trains). So if "macro efficiency" is measured as an aggregate of "business case efficiency" - then late trains don't hurt "macro efficiency," because a previously untapped resource (people's time - which they're supposed to supply for free during the commute).

The fact that the workers used to be using that time for other things - like going for walks in the woods with their families - doesn't count, because they weren't using it to make money. And only the time that is used to make money matters in this ideology.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sat Nov 15th, 2008 at 06:34:08 AM EST
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Companies in (2) get a large part of their advantage buy having a large amount of type 3 companies, that will bear the cost of instability whereas the large companies go through unhurt. Deregulation does not actually mean more business of the (2) sector going to the (3) sector, but rather more outsourcing - more of the accessory activities are outsourced, but it doesn't mean the large companies are actually threatened by the (3) sector - they just get to pump yet more cash out of it.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 10:52:11 AM EST
You're right... I ran out time for going into details.

I think outsourcing is the key - what's apparent is that they've moved more workers into the unstable part of the economy.

There is some evidence that more economic activity than before takes place in "zone 3" however, but I'll have to try and look up the details before I make any particular claims.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 11:52:48 AM EST
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I think outsourcing is the key - what's apparent is that they've moved more workers into the unstable part of the economy.
I believe that the term used in US business is "core and ring."  It is a concept that applies to both sector 2 and 3.  In sector 3 small companies have a core of vital employees that the companies protect during down turns, to the extent they can.  In good times they hire more people to perform the additional work; these are "ring" employees. When there is less work they can shed the ring employees as required.  For unionized contracting companies the union hall serves as a source and destination for "ring" employees.  Normally, laying off an employee who then draws unemployment insurance benefits causes an increase in the employer's contributions to the federal unemployment insurance fund.  I am not certain whether this is affected by being signatory to a union labor contract.

On the scale of sector 2 enterprises, the sector 2 enterprise is the core and sector 3 enterprises serve as the ring.  This system relies on federal unemployment insurance to see the "ring" employees through downturns while fobbing costs of increased unemployment contributions off onto the sector 3 corporation.  This further enhances the profitability and resilience of the sector 2 enterprise, which contributes to their "blue chip" status in stock markets.  The outsized salaries and bonuses for the occupants of the executive suite provide them with the resources for major political contributions that further reinforce their incumbency advantages.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 02:41:08 PM EST
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That's a very interesting analysis, and incidentally illustrates why it's important that unemployment benefits are financed by the public purse.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sat Nov 15th, 2008 at 06:37:07 AM EST
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European Tribune - Comments - Economic structures, stability and privatization

Economics as a discipline doesn't seem to care to think about it and I'm not sure who has picked up the ball.

And that to me is the root of the Washington consensus - and why it's hard to see our politicians overturning it.


They only need to stop listening to economists. Governments naturally have an interest in arranging things. It is only when they see less direct arrangement as a lever for more power that they wouldn't.

Hence the perpetual conservative laffer curve myth - that less taxes equal more income, and yes, a lot of them really believe that.

...

Another aspect of privatisation is impoverishment of public services, or a gradual shift of those services towards a loss of their general availability.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 05:08:44 PM EST
When we have massive skewing of wealth to the the elites as in the US it would seem that government is the only means of peacefully re-distributing that wealth from the ultra wealthy to those of lesser estate.  When the distribution reaches the point that it has it is hard for me to see how improvement can be made in the economy without changing that distribution.  This was previously accomplished relatively peacefully in the US in the '30s by FDR and has been undone by the Friedmanites from 1980 to the present.  

Perhaps others can offer additional examples of peaceful redistributions, but the only ones that come to my mind are the Jubilee amongst the ancient Israelites and the potlatch type ceremonies among "native" cultures studied by late 19th and early 20th century anthropologists.  Neither the French, the Russian nor the Chinese Revolutions exactly qualify as peaceful.

Indeed, the current crisis is arguably the result of the US elites being too successful in transferring wealth from the rest of the population to themselves.  The means by which they have done so, bubbles and financialization, is collapsing of its own weight and all current efforts are directed to stopping that collapse without sacrificing their own wealth.  So they are supporting creation of debt that will be a general obligation of the taxpayers, expecting that, as usual, they will be able to avoid those taxes.  Unfortunately, this increasingly fails the smell test and thus does not inspire the necessary faith and confidence to do the trick.

The party of the elites could regress even further in their economic theory, resurrect and revivify Malthus and then proclaim that the unemployed, like the Irish during the hunger, cannot be saved and the kindest thing to do is to let them starve.  However, they may not be left with enough of a society and economy to support a military that could protect their wealth.  Most unfortunate.  Oh, what to do?

They need to be saved from themselves.

 

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 06:17:36 PM EST
seems to be what the history of mankind is about. It's a corollary to "power corrupts; absoulte power corrupts absolutely"

Progress is ALL about ensuring that power does not get - and stay - too concentrated. Today, we see when power via money gets too concentrated: we get a massive crisis.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Nov 15th, 2008 at 09:45:05 AM EST
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There is a fourth kind of organisation: A monopolistic or quasi-monopolistic private company controlling vital infrastructure - think the railroad robber barons of the 19th cent.

Institutionally and culturally, they would probably be in category 2) in your scheme, but politically and economically, they're able to hold the rest of society hostage, so economically they work just like public companies that can raise their own taxes, have a gargantuan embezzlement problem and absolutely zero accountability.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sat Nov 15th, 2008 at 06:40:06 AM EST
... sphere to hold the rest of society hostage is the variable here ... it can be taken for granted that any of them will if they can get away with it.

Rather than type distinct from "sector 2" organisations, it is a social malignancy that follows when sector 2 organisations have too little check on their economic power.

And, indeed, since one of the features of deregulation is a removal on checks on the accumulation of monopoly power, in terms of power, as opposed to employment contracts, the privitisation plus deregulation movement is:

(1) -> (2) <- (3)

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Nov 15th, 2008 at 10:07:56 PM EST
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