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Just recently two senior British politicians have been pontificating about the contribution of the blogs, the contrast is instructive;-

Guardian - Hazel Blears MP(Labour) - Nihilistic New Media

let me say that we are witnessing a dangerous corrosion in our political culture, on a scale much more profound than previous ages, and the role of the media must be examined in this context....

But mostly, political blogs are written by people with a disdain for the political system and politicians, who see their function as unearthing scandals, conspiracies and perceived hypocrisy.

Unless and until political blogging adds value to our political culture, by allowing new and disparate voices, ideas and legitimate protest and challenge, and until the mainstream media reports politics in a calmer, more responsible manner, it will continue to fuel a culture of cynicism and despair.

Telegraph - Michael Gove (Con) - Barack Obama's campaign makes UK politics look antiquated

There are powerful lessons from the Obama campaign for politicians here. The first, of course, is, the technology, stupid. The internet and blogosphere are powerful tools but they change the relationship between politicians and the electorate, forcing us to work harder. Used properly, the net can allow direct communication with voters. Several colleagues of mine have followed the lead of the Shadow Housing Minister Grant Shapps, who keeps his constituents informed about his actions every week through a formidable e-mail network.

But it is also true that citizen journalists can use the net to expose political hypocrisy faster, and challenge the spin which the mainstream media have accepted.[....]

effective organisations must be decentralised if they are to combine agreed purpose and fast, effective and adaptive action among large numbers of people.

That last paragraph is an interesting one for me as I've long speculated that the Blair-ite fetish for message control meant that Labour cou;dn't possibly harness the internet as the Democrats have done. Indeed some discussions I had with Migeru showed that the Lib Dems simply didn't get the idea of de-centralisation. It was all about top-down message control : Which is against the entire purpose of the lessons of dKos etc

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 10:15:35 AM EST
A new addition to unions' organising strategies and training has involved taking a look at the success of Obama's campaign in engaging communities and grassroots activists.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 10:23:10 AM EST
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That's frightening because the Tories - or at least one Tory - gets it, while NuLabour are  disdainful and irritated that mere voters should be voicing an opinion.

The 'culture of cynicism and despair' will disappear when we get pols and civil servants who are professional, insightful and forward thinking.

Shooting the messenger is hardly an answer here.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 10:25:19 AM EST
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It's worth noting that Gove is on record as stating that the Tories have an advantage in the British blogosphere and that he believes they can parlay that into greater political success.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 12:00:46 PM EST
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It's worth asking whether the blogos is in fact essentially an oppositional space. If Democrats and the Conservatives are both able to function effectively in building up a head of steam in a way that the government party cannot, is this energy, in fact, an expression of the frustrations of legislative powerlessness rather than any intrinsic quality of the Net ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 03:41:36 PM EST
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Blogs serve as media when they break news but the only real power comes from their fund-raising abilities.  As usual the politicians kiss up to whomever has the cash.
by paving on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 04:20:40 PM EST
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It's multi-faceted...

  • I think we can all feel that it's easier to build up a head of steam in opposition compared to in government. Especially when the government is basically unpopular. It's easier to build a tribal feeling that way.

  • Of course, part of the "known unknowns" is that we're looking at the recent creation of the blogosphere. We'll see if the Obama years simply see a decline in the Dem blogs and a rise in Repub blog, or maybe just a rise in Repub blogs to some kind of new parity?

  • Another element is dissatisfaction not with legislative powerlessness but with existing media. The lefty blogosphere in the US was in part a conscious effort to use the new medium to combat the Repub echo chamber that was rooted in talk radio.

Likewise, for better or worse, UK Tories loathe the BBC much more strongly than centre-left types do. There's also the notion that the relative diversity of UK newspapers has slowed the growth of the blogosphere overall. One reason for the rise of Tory blogs is that the comment sections of The Telegraph and Times and Mail only appeared in usable forms relatively recently, while The Guardian was experimenting with talkboards for a lot longer and got something people felt able to use a lot earlier.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 04:23:36 PM EST
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It would be nice if all the right wing blowhards would piss off from CiF cos several of the more interesting subjects tend to get very hostile comment threads.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 04:28:12 PM EST
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Yes. Definitely.

However, I don't see it happening... once trolls are bedded in, they are really hard to get rid of. Besides, the Guardian is purposefully choosing articles with a right wing stance to:

a) Generate more flame wars (more hits)
b) Please the American audience (many of whom are "libruls" but on things like foreign policy that puts them on the right-wing for the UK.

I guess my hope is that once Labour loses the next election, the "opposition effect" plus the poisoned state of CiF should help some decent lefty blogs to emerge.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 04:46:22 PM EST
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Lefty blogs already exists, like the truly dismal "Harry's Place". Sad old tankie politics, the dreary nostalgia for '68. I'd rather have Cameron in charge than listen to those fossilised leftist relics.

there really is no non-Marxist based liberal socialism in this country. nobody understands co-operatives, nobody remembers methodist leftism. Just crappy watered down leninism for the believahs.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 05:06:55 PM EST
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Please note, I said "decent lefty blogs" not just "lefty blogs."
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 06:12:14 PM EST
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We still have the problem that decent Lefty blogs can't do much without an outlet.

dKos and the rest are industrial cash machines. I can imagine a lefty blog collecting cash to buy media time - rather like the atheist bus campaign - but that's a very indirect way of getting your point across.

Direct campaigning on specific issues is largely useless. You can have your camping holiday and your fifteen minutes of media attention, but the effect on national policy will be zero. Local issues may be more successful, but the anti-populist mindset is so entrenched in government that the faintest whiff of attempting to define policy will have the police opening a terrorist file on you.

What's missing in the UK is direct political accountability. It would certainly be possible to increase that, but none of the ways I can think of are likely to be popular with their targets, and some of them are likely to be very unpopular indeed - even though really all we're talking about here is basic investigative journalism.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 at 08:26:09 PM EST
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