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I expect that the Colorado passenger rail project will not make much headway until a freight train derails and dumps a car full of sulphuric acid right in the middle of downtown. Then the question will be "Who knew that this was such a risk???"  :-(

Anyway, as a reward here is a link to an interesting article. The Edwards Railcar Company in Alabama has built a self-powered car to be used for tourist trips to Machu Picchu in Peru. They recently tried it out on the Cumbres and Toltec narrow gauge railroad here in Colorado (and New Mexico) which is the right gauge and also a reasonably high altitude (about 3000 meters).
http://rypn.sunserver.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=26581

by asdf on Sat Nov 15th, 2008 at 06:24:03 PM EST
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Very cool!

There is one thing I could not decipher from the poster at the link. Is this a renovated museum car, or a new car intended to look like a museum car, or just a new car with a classic look?

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by DoDo on Sat Nov 15th, 2008 at 06:38:00 PM EST
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I believe it's a new car with a classic look. They are also involved in restoration projects, which complicates the discussion.

My concern would be that the Machu Picchu route appears to go through Poroy at an elevation of 12,000 feet, which is considerably higher than anywhere on the Cumbres and Toltec line. They may find that their diesel engines are not powerful enough at such an altitude. I believe that this problem was discovered in several cases when railroads converted from steam to diesel in the 1950s...steam not being affected by altitude...

by asdf on Sun Nov 16th, 2008 at 10:24:21 AM EST
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Or, to be precise, steam's power being improved by altitude :-)

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by DoDo on Sun Nov 16th, 2008 at 12:55:28 PM EST
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Are you sure? I would think that it depends entirely on the gauge pressure of the steam, which is relative to the surrounding atmospheric pressure. Thus the force on the pistons would be constant regardless of altitude, at a given gauge pressure.
by asdf on Wed Nov 19th, 2008 at 09:14:38 PM EST
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Maximum tractive effort does indeed depend on steam pressure relative to the atmosphere and the piston surface only. But power also depends on boiler output. At greater heights, the same relative pressure is a lower absolute pressure, and thus necessitates heating to a lower temperature -- meaning, you can produce more steam with the same heat.

I have some book that mentions this effect, IIRC just in a comparison of diesel and steam traction on an Andean line, maybe I can find it tonight (CET).

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by DoDo on Thu Nov 20th, 2008 at 04:46:49 AM EST
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