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That view of democracy seems to me to place far too great an emphasis on formal parliamentary procedure and far too little on civil society.

- Jake

640 kiloton should be enough for anybody

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 07:17:15 PM EST
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An ideological view.

I find it better to vote every 2-3-4 years and let the guys work. Big countries cannot practically be governed, say, by referendum, or other associative means. Just a pragmatic view. Is it possible? I think not, except Liechtenstein and such.

by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot fr) on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 07:23:38 PM EST
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ValentinD:
An ideological view.

I find it better to vote every 2-3-4 years and let the guys work.

What do you think they do, when they work? Politics is a neverending power struggle between different groups for different changes in society. If ordinary people and their organisations leave walk over after the vote has been cast, that just means that their interests will not be considered until you approach the next election. Left on the scene will be the media owners, the lobbyists, the internal wrangling for position in the parties etc. Of course, if you prefer the results that would yield, you would prefer to "let the guys work".

So I guess you mistyped.

An ideological view:

I find it better to vote every 2-3-4 years and let the guys work.

There, fixed it for you.

by A swedish kind of death on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 08:30:29 PM EST
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No mistyping whatsoever.
I prefer to allow lobby actions around parlamentarians and me be allowed to get along with my life, than have thousands of associations bickering for this or that aspect of a law, or communities asked to vote by referendum every week or so.

Parliamentarian democracy introduces a level of indirection. It is them who bother about it, and are responsible for it. I prefer delegation to direct democracy, I'm not ready or competent to vote on every issue, and I'm not sure we can devise a system of certification of any social organization, their own interests, their own competences and so on.

Bref, the case is far more complicated than just labeling today's democracy as inherently ideological.

by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot fr) on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 09:09:27 PM EST
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That's elective monarchy you're describing, not democracy. At least not democracy in any shape or form that the people who are usually credited with inventing it would recognise.

But hey, what does Jefferson know about democracy anyway :-P

- Jake

640 kiloton should be enough for anybody

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Nov 19th, 2008 at 10:24:41 AM EST
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