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When I speak about rigour and way of reasoning, I also say why.
I also draw a conclusion? It begins with In Short.
I don't simply dismiss and I don't count the number of times I had to correct misreadings, for instance. I also don't bring "others" as arguments to frame someone as isolated. This is rhetorics. My point was that for countries are ruled democratically, not by worker committees.

As to your quote, I had seen that phrase.
SO what's the problem? Did I deny that? Did I ever even comment that? Is anything I said contradicting that?

An ideological will always bring unrelated arguments to decredibilize an opponent. For him, winning is the important thing, not finding the truth or learning something new.

I hope at least you read well your own links on the other debate and learnt that there are a lot of unexplained or arbitrary factors regarding gender differences in pay, other than Male Oppressors.

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by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot frança) on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 07:55:37 PM EST
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I hope at least you read well your own links on the other debate and learnt that there are a lot of unexplained or arbitrary factors regarding gender differences in pay, other than Male Oppressors.

Which you decided I had denied, despite I having not done so. And the sentence I linked is hardly unrelated to the topic.

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by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 08:00:47 PM EST
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As you say.  May I go to sleep now? :)

Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last! (Martin Luther King)
by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot frança) on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 08:02:42 PM EST
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Since you like playing "gotcha", you could have looked to the end of the links, which expanded on the conclusions of the statistical study. Maybe you to could have learnt something, like, "The case-studies show that, when recruiting for sex-typed jobs, employers attempt to match some features of the job with the alleged characteristics of one of the sex"..."If tasks fail to provide a basis for sex typing, the social relations within which they are performed may still provide such a rationale"..."The hours of works form a third basis for sex typing"..."Other job features such as pay, status and prospects may also serve this purposes"..."In other words, job features work as segregation devices because they allow employer to mobilize gender stereotypes"...

Bun then, that book is probably full of ideology and sloppy reasoning itself, I suppose.


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by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 08:21:29 PM EST
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Of course they can be used as segregation means. How can anyone deny this. They allow, but it doesnt mean all employers use them.
This is why I was proposing a sort of standardized CV where requirements be mentioned precisely.  

This is a bit like free speech you know, no matter how many laws you make, people will always find a way around them to pass the message they want (see the recent Christian Vanneste's trial decision).

Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last! (Martin Luther King)

by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot frança) on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 09:03:05 PM EST
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