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I'd definitely call it a logical outgrowth of Marx/Engels. Ditto for Stalinism or Maoism. Marx wrote a lot, not of all it consistent or perfectly clear, and a majority of it more descriptive than prescriptive. Times changed, ideologies changed.

But then I also think that one of Marxism's problems has traditionally been a certain tendency among it's adherents to treat Marx as a Prophet and his writing as scripture. I far prefer the notion of him as one of the nineteenth century's greatest thinkers who revolutionized how we think of society and spawned a political movement. At least that's what I think his relevance is today.

by MarekNYC on Wed Nov 19th, 2008 at 12:04:30 AM EST
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I see Stalin first of all of a practitioner - the implementer of the Marxist-Leninist thread in the "real world". (As opposed to Hitler, who was more a "theorist" but supported by some "practical" industrial-financial classes). Mao copied quite a lot on Stalin's understanding of proletariat dictatorship. Both Stalin and Mao consolidated their powers following historical examples of their own countries (aka Ivan the Terrible, etc)

Apart from compulsory (and rather formal) indoctrination by Soviet education and politicization, what would be examples of Marx's adherents treating him as a Prophet?

 

by das monde on Wed Nov 19th, 2008 at 03:11:45 AM EST
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I basically agree with you on Stalin - I was simply seeking to illustrate the other extreme of Marxism in practice.

On Marx as prophet and his writings as scriptures though, I stand by my point. If you look at the debates during the Second International period in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, or those within the SPD during Weimar, there is a strong tendency among the participants to argue from Marx rather than from a broader perspective. That is, you'd get ideas 'refuted' by saying that they went against this or that in Marx's writings, rather than a genuine counterargument. Then there's the whole teleological aspect of the Marxist narrative. There I feel that Marx himself bears quite a bit of blame. All in all, Marxists seemed to often forget that Marx was just a human being who lived in a certain period of time, a brilliant one, but without psychic powers and quite capable of being wrong.

by MarekNYC on Wed Nov 19th, 2008 at 01:04:10 PM EST
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