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Would that thirst be the result of some ideological saturation? Or because people would be more and more hedonist, egocentric, thus caring less and less about what others try to indoctrinate them with, and so freeing the road for hands-on approaches as opposed to "lunatic" ones?

Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last! (Martin Luther King)
by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot frança) on Wed Nov 19th, 2008 at 06:03:26 PM EST
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I believe that this is not a question of "lunatics" versus "hands-on" people. It is not a question of the right winning over the left. Ideology hasn't been overcome, but the debate about it becomes mere lunatism when the right (or left) adopts methods and ideas and agents of the left (or right). The 'here and now' is so strong that it attracts all sides of the spectrum.

When this happens, what is the role of the opposition, any opposition? They hinder the natural response as dictated by pragmatism. They become lunatics, not much else. The DOERS will listen when it serves the larger cause ("survive the crisis" - whatever that may mean) and the rest, they will ignore.

This is not the death of ideology but this new 'ideology' may call for a new name. It is driven by the same force as globalisation - resisted by many. It is nurtured by fear (of terrorism), and ultimately everyone will acknowledge the need to react in face of global recession and serious environmental issues.

   

by Lily (put - lilyalmond - here <a> yahaah.france) on Thu Nov 20th, 2008 at 05:13:49 AM EST
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I believe that this is not a question of "lunatics" versus "hands-on" people.

correct...the nth straw man V has dragged in for burning.

i'll give you one thing, V, you're one hellacious hairsplitter!
lol
:)

great comments lily, and welcome to the funny farm.

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 07:06:26 PM EST
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You are both quite beside the point, if I may ! :)

Sorry for "lunatics", in case it bothered anyone - just a borrowed word to emphasize an opposition, I didn't mean any Eurotrib valuable members!
The question was, would people be fed up with ideologies, or just bored with'em, in their oh so modern hedonistic consumerism!  

Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last! (Martin Luther King)

by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot frança) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 07:33:23 PM EST
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Although thinking better, lunatics can be used for utopists, or people following long reaching ideals. It's not necessarily a mean word - just like deportation isn't, right. Or hellacious splitter. Who could bear a sloppy society, with ideas rolling down from Mountain Tops like BLOCKS of ROCKS!

Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last! (Martin Luther King)
by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot frança) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 07:37:19 PM EST
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never fear V, you'll always be there to test them for purity before rolling them up again!

i for one, feel enormously safer for your efforts.

:)

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 08:09:21 PM EST
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No one begged any of you guys to come commenting, actually - a few well crafted slogans would have sufficed to this provocateur :)

(but then yourself only bothered with straw men - wazzarealmotive! some rightwing scheme for sure; nevermind then: you, I won't protect! :) )

Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last! (Martin Luther King)

by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot frança) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 08:29:28 PM EST
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