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Facts aren't only numbers, (although they are important, and show the policy is "statistics" driven, i.e. in the summer of 2006, the government claimed it would examine all parents of children asking for papers - only Sarkozy announced beforehand the number of people who would get papers, and strangely the number of people getting papers matched - i.e., people in similar conditions got papers depending on when the decision about them was taken) but also, as we pointed out, various absurd and tragic situations people are put in by this policy. A policy you "assume" is necessary, despite any argument or fact in favor of it, except that it allows Sarkozy to get the racist vote.

An unfair law that serves no purposes should be repealed even for one death.

Legally, some categories of immigrants have the right to remain in France and thus to get papers (Carte de séjour) without asking for the French citizenship. Ill people who could be healed if sent back to their country, family of people who have the right to stay in France (because the right to live with one's family is a human right) ; usually, foreign employees have no limit to their visas... But even for those being illegally in France, forcefully deporting them requires more arguments than simply wanting to appease racists.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Nov 20th, 2008 at 09:56:09 AM EST
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"A policy you "assume" is necessary"

I DON'T KNOW whether it is necessary.

"Family of people who have the right to stay in France (because the right to live with ones family is a human right)" - Sure.

by Lily (put - lilyalmond - here <a> yahaah.france) on Thu Nov 20th, 2008 at 10:38:44 AM EST
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I was thinking of this "IF there is a need to control or limit immigration which I assume is there" having forgotten the IF. Excuse me.

What I mean is that the deleterious effects of the policy are established, even if some of the problems are not fully quantified. So the debate should be about the need to control or limit immigration ; and even if such a need were "proven" (which will have to depend on a whole lot of assumption about what is "good" for a country), whether the policies being applied are not overly harsh.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Nov 20th, 2008 at 10:45:31 AM EST
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