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What a beautiful summation of your ideology:

  1. An unfunded statement of what people truly, deep-down are. Since you here nail-down the fundamental nature of man any sign to the contrary can be brushed of as manifestation of the superficial layers hiding that fundamental core.

  2. A claim of the evilness and wrongness of other ideologies.

  3. A narrative of why your ideology will win in the end.
by A swedish kind of death on Fri Nov 21st, 2008 at 06:17:37 AM EST
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I got carried away :) I deeply despise lies said for ideological reasons.

The absence of an ideology, as DoDo doctly explained, is not an ideology in itself.

by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot fr) on Fri Nov 21st, 2008 at 06:08:47 PM EST
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And I agree with DoDo.

What I do not agree with is your claim that you do not have an ideology. You have here displayed a lot of assumptions and values in a coherent narrative. That is, you have displayed your ideology.

Your claim to lack an ideology does not make it so, just as some marxists claims to lack an ideology - "Marxism is a science, not an ideology!" - does not make that true either.

by A swedish kind of death on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 04:44:59 AM EST
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Your way of thinking is correct, but you do realize that this way you will be able to "impose" an ideological label on everybody, no matter !

It is not my claim alone that "make it so".
I also tried to argue, and I regret not having convinced you. Someone at the center will be seen as conservative by the left and socialist by the right. Someone above the center as I position myself, is, in plus, a weird bird that no one really sees what it wants.

I don't think I displayed assumptions as such, but different situations that have several facets and I argued for considering all those facets. I'm not against immigrants, but I do think we should consider the locals' view of them and its causes (not always racism).
This is the kind of politically-neutral, rational argumenting that I claim myself of.

by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot fr) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 07:12:48 AM EST
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ValentinD:
Someone at the center will be seen as conservative by the left and socialist by the right. Someone above the center as I position myself, is, in plus, a weird bird that no one really sees what it wants.

Center is not an un-ideological position. An absence of ideology would not be placable on a political scale.

by A swedish kind of death on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 07:25:06 AM EST
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... you're a centrist, he's an opportunist :-P

- Jake

640 kiloton should be enough for anybody

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 10:36:46 AM EST
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Careful, someone else already has copyright on that term - DoDo, if I remember well (so double-beware!) :)
by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot fr) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 08:33:49 PM EST
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I said above the center. If you follow my different position, just like is the case with some politicians, they seem contradictory. Some look like left, others more center or right wing, others more like real-politik.

This doesn't show opportunism or maverick-ism, but exactly that we don't fit political scale, which is based on ideologies.

by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot fr) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 08:36:40 PM EST
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