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My new bank cards saying Dr. [In Wales] turned up today :)


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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 11:22:11 AM EST
I wonder why France, with its craze for competitive exams segmenting society, never got the idea of this sort of institutionalization of titles...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 11:28:28 AM EST
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Don't know. Is it not really done elsewhere?  I'm making of point of it because I actually get treated more respectfully when people realise. I really don't like being called 'Miss.'

The downside is that I could look like some pathetic little girl trying to be all big and clever and arrogant!

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 11:39:11 AM EST
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In Germany they do it to death. You actually have people styling themselves Prof. Dr. Dr.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 11:44:04 AM EST
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There, "Dipl.-Ing." (for an engineer with diploma) is also in frequent use.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 01:52:43 PM EST
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Ah yes, good old X, or Prof. Prof. Dr. Dr. Dipl.-Ing. X as he liked to be known, informally, to his close friends...
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 02:11:46 PM EST
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By the way. In Hungarian, a "Dipl.-Ing." acronym-title is not in use, but the full form is put in CVs, as well as identifications in articles or on cards. But (AFAIK) there is no exact English equivalent, thus in English versions of all aforementioned documents, one can find a wild variety of more or less unlucky translation attempts...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 02:17:46 PM EST
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You forgot the Dr. h.c. awarded by a grateful academia.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 02:25:00 PM EST
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Given that you start with minus two respect points with the sort of people to whom knowing that you're a Dr will make a difference, I say milk it to death.

Apparently very important in the Spanish speaking world as well.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 11:46:21 AM EST
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Yup, you got it!

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 11:57:40 AM EST
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So far as I know, in the US one's (preferred) title of address is a form field on certain business applications for mailing purposes. State agents do not, as a rule, convey title of address to commercial (legal) documents and contracts such as personal IDs, credit cards, land titles, or licenses. One's "legal name," first and family, are given unembellished by credentials.

A personal point of reference: DrMarketTrustee, a physician, declined MD (medical doctor) designation on his vehicle license plate once he'd determined that this "privilege" (to park anywhere) increased his personal risk of vandalism and theft. Neither my brother (JD) nor my father (LLB) prefer "Doctor" or demand that anyone address them thus, although both have been required to maintain licenses --by continuous certification and ethical sanctions, "good faith," shall we say-- for the lifetimes of their professional careers.

One cannot understate the "value" differential between metaphorical and mortal death, denoted by license and connoted by a body of laws and their enforcement. The expression of that differential is ruled by proximity to murder. PhDs are the least "accountable" doctors, yes, even within the trade of mental health services, psychology/psychiatry.

Thank god, if no one else, that someone in government still, somehow, discriminates licenses.

The instrumentality of "license" is an interesting topic, especially when comparing privileges of "freedom" to practice (or to trade) and  procedures of  "certification" in subject matter expertise by territory ... such as the UK, France, Germany, and USA. The topic of subject matter expertise itself is subject to continuous objective verification of practical application, although as a rule (ideologically speaking) academics (persons not usually subject to tort litigation) have argued that time (t: roughly, a 10 year arbitrary constraint and cummulative period of education) approximating a quantity of random responses apposing Q/t short-term recall to worldly events is a sufficient metric of applicable expertise (cf. Herbert Simon, just one "laureate" example).

Now let us ponder: Article 1, §9 of the US Constitution however expressly forbids the federal government and the states from conferring "titles of nobility", where here I will note that the word "nobility" is atavistic in extremis and bears no credential today save divine "rights" arrogated by some monarch; its meanings are more poetical with respect to apparent, that is to say accepted or justified belief of, expertise:

No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States: and no person holding any office of profit or trust under them, shall, without the consent of the Congress, accept of any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state.

That is a good thing. That is why I refer to the lowest common denomitator in title, Mr or Ms or "pole-smoker."

Everyone makes mistakes. Reliability is a fallacy --OK, approximation-- of certainty. Certainty, as most apprehend and live it, is a function of human relations, who you know. One's hereditary seat in a chamber of Parliament, for example, or manipulation of political "opportunities" through trade alliances.

While I am pleased for you that you completed your certification in your chosen academic subject matter, I cannot help but caution you. Title of address is no certification of expertise. Expertise is guarantee of practical good. That is the moral of one's prescription for either remedy of bad acts or creation of good acts. Peer-reviewed acceptance, truth, of intellectual exercise is void, though entertaining. Unlike Mr Obama or Mr Sarkozy yet somewhat like Mr McConnell (ha!), every academic and pundit must administrate their claim to expertise.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 02:55:14 PM EST
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Expertise is NO guarantee of practical good.

Brief explanation: Certification is abstract concept attainement, hence peer-review rules (typically statistical proof). Practical certification, LICENSE, is real conflict, typically torts litigation.

One may "ace" a test but fail reality Happens all too often.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 04:10:40 PM EST
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I'm the opposite. Being called by my title makes me cringe, and I never write it down on forms. In fact, I'm not impressed by other people's titles at all, and feel it is none of their business to know this about me upfront.

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by martingale on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 07:32:42 PM EST
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Dr is not a big title in France. As you know, it's only my secondary degree over here. And people do put their school and year of entry quite often on cards and in obituaries...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 11:46:28 AM EST
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X. hasn't replaced Monsieur, either. And cards and obituaries are a bit different to, say, credit cards...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 11:52:47 AM EST
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I've never displayed my letters - and come to think of it, I don't know where the evidence for any of my qualifications is, because I have never had occasion to present it.

But the university I got my M.A, from is unique and small enough that there is a frisson of freemasonic recognition if I meet any fellow graduates. I suppose that is true of most hard-to-get-into universities.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 03:26:38 PM EST
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Ooh, you!
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 11:30:29 AM EST
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;)

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 11:35:57 AM EST
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