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Here's what you need to say about Lieberman: His heterodoxies have remained contained. Unlike John McCain, who conveyed his post-2000 disgust with the Republican Party by sponsoring a lot of liberal legislation on essentially random issues, Lieberman's fight with the Democrats has not strayed from foreign policy. For instance: His 2007 AFL-CIO voting record was 84 percent. That's exactly the same as his lifetime AFL-CIO voting record. In the most recent Congress, his score from the League of Conservation was 96 percent (which is actually a recent career high). Lieberman is, arguably, an extremely reliable Democratic vote. The exception, of course, is foreign policy, where he's an extremely reliable Republican vote.

But he's not really needed on foreign policy votes. The president has broad autonomy on strategic questions.

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That said, the operational effect of stripping Lieberman would have been that he becomes a Republican, and caucuses with them. It would have meant his incentives shift to curry favor with Republican voters. It would have, in other words, made him a fairly unreliable Democratic vote on domestic issues. The question became, then, does the satisfaction of retribution outweigh the value of one more vote in an extremely close Senate? It's hard to say that it does.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed Nov 19th, 2008 at 11:42:06 AM EST
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But being in charge of the homeland Security commission brings with it certain investigative responsibilities, responsibilities he singularly refused to discharge whilst his House equivalent was being extremely energetic on issues such as FISA, Katrina etc etc. So, irrespective of his voting record, in terms of running the second most powerful committee in the Senate he was not a reliable democrat at all. In fact by his inaction he was more or less providing cover for Bush.

The worry now is not that he remains so indolent, but that he discovers an energy so far lacking and starts using his powers to get in the way of the Obama legislative efforts. That committee can cause real problems for a president if he so wishes, the question is; does he wish ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Nov 19th, 2008 at 11:50:57 AM EST
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Not really.  In order to cause real problems, they're going to need the votes to cause real problems on the committee, and I don't think Lieberman will have them.

And if he screws around, he can be kicked off.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Nov 19th, 2008 at 12:10:07 PM EST
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I hope you're right, but it does seem to me there is much the committee should do yet doubt that Lieberman will move in that direction.

EK might have a point, but running the second most powerful committee in the Senate does look like the sort of thing you get as a reward for doing good works, not what you get despite being backstabbing scum.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Nov 19th, 2008 at 12:30:59 PM EST
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He doesn't deserve it.  He deserves to be strung up by his balls from the ceiling of the Oval Office after Obama takes the oath.  Plenty of other senators are much more deserving of that spot than the Senator from Tel Aviv, especially Leahy and Sanders (who were apparently the only two to speak out against Lieberman in the meeting).

I wish Vermont chose all of our politicians.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Nov 19th, 2008 at 12:49:41 PM EST
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And, anyway, we have Rahm for a reason.  If his violent tendencies towards enemies of Clinton in the 1990s are any indication, I'd imagine Rahm is frightening enough to keep HoJo in line.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Nov 19th, 2008 at 12:55:38 PM EST
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I thought Rahm was a DLC guy who was in the tank for Lieberman during the CT primary and has had his back ever since.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Nov 19th, 2008 at 01:24:30 PM EST
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Rahm will take his overall direction from Obama.  He will have some influence on Obama, but Obama himself is very strong minded.  That said, Rahm seems to be someone who knows how to do business with a knife, a la LBJ's definition of a politician.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Nov 19th, 2008 at 01:41:55 PM EST
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Everybody was in the tank for Lieberman during the primary, but I don't think anybody really had Lieberman's back openly after the primary with the possible exception of a few close friends.  Once he'd lost the primary, everybody either bailed or kept their mouths shut.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Nov 19th, 2008 at 01:47:59 PM EST
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For an ignorant Frenchman, what are exactly the powers of a committee head in the Senate ?

The Senate seems to have a lot of complex hierarchies, and many are not all that clear...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed Nov 19th, 2008 at 12:12:50 PM EST
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From Wikipedia:

The United States Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs has jurisdiction over matters related to the Department of Homeland Security and other homeland security concerns, as well as the functioning of the government itself, including the National Archives, budget and accounting measures other than appropriations, the Census, the federal civil service, the affairs of the District of Columbia, and the United States Postal Service. The committee's name was formerly the United States Senate Committee on Governmental Affairs, prior to homeland security being added to its responsibilities.

The politics of the committee are up in the air for now, because so many Republicans on it were either defeated in the election (Stevens, Sununu, possibly Coleman), have retired and been replaced by Dems (Warner, Domenici), or are in serious danger in upcoming elections (Voinovich).  Collins and Coburn are the only two Reps certain to be on for the foreseeable future, but even they're likely without problem, since Collins can be pushed around and Coburn has a good relationship with Obama after working on transparency issues with him.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Nov 19th, 2008 at 12:21:16 PM EST
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No hearings can be held without the consent of the committee chairman.  He sets the agenda.  That was why there was no oversight of GWB from 2002 to 2006.  After 2006.......

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Nov 19th, 2008 at 03:55:50 PM EST
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