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It's been an interesting read. I don't know how easy it is to get hold of outside the Open University. I'll look for the reference number when I get home though.

You make excellent points about cultural pluralism and multiculturalism, and this is very much what the whole debate is about.  To what extent should we accommodate other people's religious and cultural practices if they move to a new country?  Does it partly depend on why they've moved? eg an asylum seeker who intends to go home once it is safe to do so vs a migrant worker who chooses to settle here.

Certainly practices that we consider to be violations of human rights or of our domestic legislation would not be acceptable in Britain but around that people are allowed to be part of their cultural communities, follow their religion etc - they are not forced to assimilate and be made to lose whatever cultural identity and heritage they carry with them.  

But at the same time it is viewed important that people who come to our country understand what our cultural values are - eg around gender roles.  

Allowing communities to keep their identities does not mean that segregation is encouraged (in principle).  Social cohesion and understanding of diversity and other cultures in promoted but often in practice gehttos develop where asylum seekers or migrants are placed and not given enough access to integrate into the wider community, reinforced by negative attitudes of indigenous populations.

The UK has a fairly long history of diversity and different cultures living alongside each other (not necessarily harmoniously) so the historical context enables the multiculturalism approach to develop here in a way it has not in France or elsewhere.  But the whole debate is still very much ongoing and divided.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 03:45:09 AM EST
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A very difficult area when you think about accommodating other people's religious and cultural practices are the intergenerational conflicts that may arise. And at this point we must also be able to answer, what are the cultural rights of the child? To what extent, and for how long can parent force a restrictive non-majority culture on a growing human being? These conflicts are primarily seen in the media in the very extreme cases of so called honer killings. However, the interest should not just be on those extreme cases where we can clearly say there are no cultural rights. But what are the rights of the child vs. parents in milder cases?

For example, a few months ago there was some ideas flying past in the Swedish media about abolishing parents' right to have their children exempted from sexual, physical and religious education based on religious/cultural objections. I.e. it can perhaps be said within the Swedish context that there is no cultural right to ignorance. You may keep your culture, but in no way do you have a right to remain ignorant (or enforce ignorance on offspring) on culturally sensitive topics. I don't know what happened with this proposal, if it was brought up in the parliament, voted on, etc.

by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 08:52:18 AM EST
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Have not seen it since the brief media debate, so I think it has been dropped.

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by A swedish kind of death on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 12:30:41 PM EST
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From the minority community's viewpoint, it's not an intergenerational conflict, or even imposition, but defending a system of values, and most importantly, protecting the wellbeing of the child.
Such behaviour appears mostly when there's a strong sentiment that the host country's values are deeply wrong (like, gender issues to muslims).

When this is the case, the truth is relative to where your own position is on the matter. The only way to solve this is by decree: my values are the right ones, because I am the host and the majority. This will lead to revolt, unless such issues are tackled and solved very very early by an immigration policy based on assimilation - at least concerning this kind of conflictual issues.
Playing the righteousness card (as in, we're more advanced than you, we know women position in society is a human rights issue, not a cultural one) is probably the worst solution.

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by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot frança) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 08:47:58 PM EST
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"Allowing communities to keep their identities does not mean that segregation is encouraged (in principle)"

It depends on how much those identities differ from the host country's. Russian immigrants to France integrate very easily and the problem (segregation or assimilation) isn't even posed. Migrants can have difficulties to adapt due to lack of enough access opportunities, or locals' negative attitude, but also due to their own lack of understanding, or negative attitude towards local values.
Without necessarily assumming ill will from either side , I think the problem must be considered both ways.

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by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot frança) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 09:00:52 PM EST
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Not only about how identity differ, but about how they are percieved to differ. The Chinese culture is much more removed from the French one than the Arab one ; but since Chinese culture is unknown, there are no reactions against aspects of Chinese culture that would be disagreeable to the majority of the French population. India's arranged marriages are no better than the Arab ones, yet as the Indian immigration is small and not perceived as problematic, that aspect is not protested against.

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by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Nov 4th, 2008 at 11:38:44 AM EST
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Not only about how they are perceived to differ, but also about how they express themselves to the outer world.
My theory is that the Chinese, while being quite different (I knew a chinese person well enough to make a bit of an opinion), are also quite careful to not impose on others (and the Japanese even much more so).
This "discretion" too is a part of asian cultures, just like exuberance defines all nations around the Mediterranean.
Just to say that it is still and always going both ways.

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by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot frança) on Tue Nov 4th, 2008 at 03:14:11 PM EST
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