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'Socialist Left factions in dire straits in Paris'

France's opposition Socialists vote Thursday for a new leader after a fierce contest laid bare deep divisions and threatened to scuttle their chances of building a challenge to President Nicolas Sarkozy.

Former presidential candidate Segolene Royal is putting her political survival on the line as she squares off against rivals Martine Aubry, the architect of France's 35-hour work week, and leftist Euro-MP Benoit Hamon.

The vote by the party's 233,000 members -- which could head into a runoff on Friday -- comes on the heels of a party congress that ended in disarray at the weekend after delegates failed to agree on a consensus candidate.

The stakes are high for France's main opposition party.

After three consecutive defeats in presidential elections, the Socialists have been bogged down in internal squabbling and unable to score any points off Sarkozy since he took office last year.

http://www.france24.com/en/20081120-french-socialists-vote-new-leader-reims-royal-aubry-hamon



Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Thu Nov 20th, 2008 at 12:29:21 PM EST
What is the political bent of France 24? They write like the Murdoch press or IHT, forgetting the result of local elections...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Nov 20th, 2008 at 12:33:38 PM EST
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I haven't been watching it, but it may interest people to know my local uber-lefty PBS station (that's public a.k.a. socialist tv for those who don't know) has replaced its broadcast of BBC World News with France 24 and some other show.  

Francolphiles rejoice - you've defeated the Brits!  or are just selling cheaper tv.  Don't know.  Anyway, your propaganda is in American homes.

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.

by poemless on Thu Nov 20th, 2008 at 12:39:07 PM EST
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Cheaper for sure...

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Nov 20th, 2008 at 12:43:31 PM EST
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Oh wow - this is a real story.  This is like, genuine ET-worthy material.

I looked up the name of the other show that has replaced the BBC; it is World Focus.  I've watched bits of it, and I have to say, ouch.  Really, they have those "let's dress up and pretend to be journalists" production values of Russia Today and Deutsche Welle's Journal.  Hurts to watch this stuff.  But I guess they've positioned themselves as the primary competition for the BBC in America:

NYT: `Worldfocus' Replaces `BBC World News' On Some PBS Stations

"For 10 years, the BBC has largely had to itself the American market for television news that is not United States-centric, thanks to its distribution deal with public television and its cable network BBC America. That changed on Monday with the start of `Worldfocus,' a half-hour nightly newscast being produced and distributed by the New York public broadcaster WLIW, Channel 21," Elizabeth Jensen reports.

"The new competition, available in about 85 percent of the country, brings an extensive juggling of the station lineup for "BBC World News" on public television nationwide. In the New York metropolitan area, the half-hour BBC newscast will no longer be seen on WLIW and its sister station, WNET, Channel 13, where it occupied plum evening spots; the program garnered on average some 60,000 viewers per night on WLIW alone. Instead, viewers will find it on the less-viewed New Jersey Network, at 6:30 p.m., Eastern time."

Here in Chicago, I believe the same has happened.  Another PBS station will now air the BBC World News, and at some crazy hours: 5:30 am and 11:30 pm.  Previously, on the other station, it was in the prime news slots at 6 pm and 10 pm.  

It kind of sucks.  I liked the BBC World News.  They have soothing voices and make some attempt at professionalism.  World Focus ... ooh, it's painful to watch.


Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.

by poemless on Thu Nov 20th, 2008 at 01:28:26 PM EST
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There will be a price war. The BBC can afford to loss-lead for a couple of years and wipe out all opposition. But now they were caught in their pompous pantaloons.

They will be back.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Nov 20th, 2008 at 01:49:50 PM EST
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In general it seems to me to be pretty middle-of the road or "balanced", reflected in their press reviews, e.g. on the local elections:

Libération (Paris)

According to French leftist paper Libération "Spring is in the air" - this refers to the progress made by socialist candidates in the local elections.  The Sociality Party may not have received the tidal wave of support it was hoping for, but the article points out it should be happy it has managed to destabilize the ruling UMP party to a certain extent.  The paper says this may have been partly down to the fact the socialists had a joker card to play with - President Nicolas Sarkozy himself!  Sarkozy's recent bad press and the country's economic slowdown encouraged some voters to publish [sic - punish] his party in the local elections.  

Figaro (Paris)

Right-wing paper Le Figaro publishes an article pointing out that while the socialists made progress the UMP party did better than expected in the elections.  There was no sudden come back from the left and there is still a long way to go.  The paper likens the elections to a football game, explaining some of Sarkozy's supporters may well have wanted to issue him with a warning - or a yellow card.  This doesn't mean, however, they've changed their political tendencies and they are unlikely to go all the way in the second round of voting, giving him a red card.

http://www.france24.com/en/press-review/734980

They have some quite extended debates on important issues with left and right represented. What I like about it is that unlike BBCworld, there is far less about business and sport and a lot more on culture in general. Thus it might be a welcome change for US viewers and seem more "European" :-)

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Thu Nov 20th, 2008 at 01:11:08 PM EST
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What I meant is not their past coverage of the local elections, but that in this article, they frame the leadership contest as a disaster in a party still under the shock of Ségo's defeat to Sarko, without even mentioning the PS's victories in the more recent local elections. Exactly like the Torygraph (or was it the Times?) article quoted in a Salon a week ago or so.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Nov 20th, 2008 at 02:11:48 PM EST
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Yes, I got your point - I just wouldn't make too much of one print summary in relation to their general coverage as a TV news service.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Thu Nov 20th, 2008 at 05:14:26 PM EST
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It is now under the direction of Christine Ockrent, wife of Foreign Affairs minister (and former PS member) Kouchner...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Nov 20th, 2008 at 01:36:04 PM EST
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Ah. The wonderful left-dominated French media...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Nov 20th, 2008 at 01:49:50 PM EST
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She has already fired a journalist who had previously made a sarcastic portrait of her husband..

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Nov 20th, 2008 at 02:10:06 PM EST
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Details?

(And my I note the lack of coverage of French domestic politics by our diarists recently.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Nov 20th, 2008 at 02:21:06 PM EST
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I note the lack of coverage of any kind on ET lately. The site is dying.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 20th, 2008 at 02:36:30 PM EST
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Apart from a few poorly attended OTs in the last week I've felt we've been quite healthy. Lots of diaries are running through, faster than I can keep up with at times. And I'm sure you reported recently that the economic focus attracted a lot of attention so that page visits were through the roof.

We've always struggled on european domestic politics. I worry that there's too much attention on UK & US nonsense so sometimes I hold back, but apart from French politics, the rest of europe seems to be be de gondi for Italy and Dodo for everywhere else.

We're a bit thin I grant you. But it's not new. So why are we dying ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 20th, 2008 at 02:50:21 PM EST
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For me, it is about the what-iffing versus the nailing it down. I like to run with ideas to see where they will lead. Brainstorms have been my MO for 40 years, and brainstorms require an ability or acceptance to make mistakes in finding the edge.

It's a bit like fucking really, you don't want people pointing out your inadequacies in the middle of the act. It tends to put a damper on development.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Nov 20th, 2008 at 03:02:10 PM EST
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Oh, now that's the spirit!

I am going to have to invoke the old bit of wisdom about "If you have nothing nice to say ..." aren't I?

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.

by poemless on Thu Nov 20th, 2008 at 03:09:55 PM EST
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follow your bit of wisdom.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 20th, 2008 at 05:25:19 PM EST
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I've been doing my best to get a few more European and French topics discussed recently :-)

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Thu Nov 20th, 2008 at 05:16:49 PM EST
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I don't think it is dying, it is museifying. Ideas, however  good, should never be embalmed. Science just gets better, but it is never right.

What is this rush to be right?

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Nov 20th, 2008 at 05:45:49 PM EST
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Ebb and flow... ebb and flow
over and over
like waves on the shore.

Who's ready to write the diary on the effect of the breakdown of global societal institutions?  Is depression par for the course?  If we step back a bit, aren't we all affected a bit more than we let on?

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Thu Nov 20th, 2008 at 05:56:31 PM EST
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Comment of the month award goes to Crazy Horse.

Your reward is this youtube:

The best bit is between the start and 4:30 or so.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Nov 20th, 2008 at 06:20:37 PM EST
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I really loved that. BB has always been a favourite, but this went one step beyond. I disagree about the 4.30 cut-off. To me, what followed was much braver, although perhaps a bit more colonial (re: leading and following) ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Nov 20th, 2008 at 06:38:48 PM EST
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Ok, I'll bite.

Brave in what respect?

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Nov 20th, 2008 at 07:15:20 PM EST
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The first piece was a direct reference to a commonly revered musical sequence in a movie, that was evidence of culture C - whereas cultures A and B were actually  in conflict but subservient to Culture C.  

The second piece is a basic A culture piece with B culture backing. i.e. colonial. Much riskier to bring off without appearing patronising ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Nov 20th, 2008 at 07:27:44 PM EST
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Danke Metatone, that's really cool.  I've never seen (not that i'm one to be on top of cultural breakthroughs) an electric sitar.  Hindi Deliverance! Man!

Of course, the point remains:  How much we are affected and don't admit (or even know.)

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Thu Nov 20th, 2008 at 06:43:39 PM EST
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I was thinking about writing a diary on this as I was sat in traffic this morning. Maybe something will come out in a day or so.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Nov 20th, 2008 at 07:12:04 PM EST
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CH -right as usual. We have to meet up sometime....

Many of us suffer from post-natal Obamaism. A great wrong has been partially righted.  A lot of psychic energy has been invested. PND is inevitable.

It will take time before the next perceptional cause is identified...

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Nov 20th, 2008 at 06:26:03 PM EST
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A late Huh!? from me, too. Like Helen, I don't see the lack of activity you see, and your previous alarmedness after one single low-traffic OT was strange, too. Is this some post-Obama blues? (Where I note that if you want to see some true post-Obama slump, check BooMan Tribune.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Nov 21st, 2008 at 09:58:55 AM EST
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Ulysse Gosset's contract not renewed because of lack of audience. The thing is, France24's audience is possibly too low to be measured... The real reason being, of course, a TV show a bit too harsh about Kouchner. "Fired" is a bit too strong a word, as Gosset will be going back to France Television.

A problem about blogging French politics is that all the juicy bits are found in the Canard Enchaîné which doesn't have a website...

And, of course, that nepotism in SarkozyLand is "dog bites man" type of news...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Nov 20th, 2008 at 02:38:02 PM EST
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Has anybody noticed much of a difference ?

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Thu Nov 20th, 2008 at 01:56:41 PM EST
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France 24 is centre-right.

It does appear that Royal is taking over the PS.  That of course is a "disaster" according to some press.

by paving on Thu Nov 20th, 2008 at 03:05:39 PM EST
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