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this, plus the "this woman is incompetent" theme that has been drilled down by the media all along the campaign (emphasis: woman, incompetent).

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.
by Bernard on Fri Nov 21st, 2008 at 05:43:21 PM EST
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Yeah, that I definitely remember.  Sarko struck me as a misogynistic and condescending little shit in their debate.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri Nov 21st, 2008 at 05:48:22 PM EST
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Many in the PS were of the same opinion, as I remember. Very easy to position oneself as a victim of mysoginy to counter any kind of criticism, more or less of substance.
by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot fr) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 06:31:33 AM EST
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Absolutely: the backstabbing began at the PS.

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.
by Bernard on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 07:35:58 AM EST
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"Many in the PS were of the same opinion"

True, but by any measure she was not nearly as incompetent as Sarko (whose results as minister were invariably appalling, and who was pushing for policies right out of the George W Bush book, probably the modern yardstick of incompetence). Yet somehow the media was never pointing out things like "this man is a clown". Strange.

"The womb that spawned that thing is fertile yet"

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 09:07:57 AM EST
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The point was not Sarko, but that it was not only the right, but also half the left (if not more) who thought Royal incompentent, Eva Péron-like populist, and lacking statemanship - if I remember well, even few remarkable PS women thought that.
by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot fr) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 08:17:35 PM EST
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Bernard pointed out that the meme was spread by the media. The meme that Sarkozy was among the one million least competent people in France for the role of president, was never mentioned. Despite at least half the right thinking so as well.

So it is quite relevant. The media were incredibly biased in that respect, to the point of presenting Sarko's ministry tenures (which werein fact major failures) as strong points, as proof of competence. Again, despite having most of his own camp feeling he was rubbish.

It's well known that today, should the votes be anonymous, Sarko would not even have a majority within the UMP parliementary group.

Let alone in the Assemblée itself...

"The womb that spawned that thing is fertile yet"

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Sun Nov 23rd, 2008 at 03:10:41 AM EST
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But I was commenting Royal and the way she was treated, not Sarkozy. I don't see what Sarkozy, his "competence", his rubish-ness, his majority, or the Parliament have to do in all this - besides the fact that you seem to have a very clear and solid opinion on him - which is perfectly your right :)

You're a perfect illustration for my ideology diary, if you don't mind: not one sentence without heavy political bias. You seem to breathe contestation - of the media, of elections, of the elected parliament.

In such cases I tend to say: well get ready to spend 9 more years in this dire mood.

But it would be a provocation.
What do I care that you're such a leftwing supporter and Royal fan. I don't even care if Sarko gets re-elected (or indeed will be a candidate 4 years from now).

But forget Sarko. Just a question: could you even conceive Mme. Royal might not be that good, do you allow for even a tiny bit of doubt?
Or is it more like, we're all little soldiers ready to die for the Chief?

by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot fr) on Sun Nov 23rd, 2008 at 01:41:00 PM EST
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Given that Cyrille was openly a Modem supporter and not a Royal supporter, your comments are, shall we say, a case of projection?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Sun Nov 23rd, 2008 at 04:44:36 PM EST
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