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Compared to Le Pen, Sarko knew how to hang on to an argumented line. He spoke about immigrants in the context of law trespassing, if I can put it so. Or in a society based on the rule of law, who can contest that laws must be observed. Then of course there are ways and ways to say that, which can absolutely not be summed up like you did, "arabs that rape our daughters". That's an appalling exaggeration. It's absolutely shocking that someone can say that - unless speaking from Sarko hatred. This is just like those people in the US convinced that Obama is an arab, a muslim, and a terrorist.

Secondly, what you don't realize is how many people are indignated against lack of fairness in dealing with unemployment ("unemployed are always right", says the PC Bible, because they are victims, and victims always are), in dealing with immigrants (an immigrant is necessarily a sort of asilum seeker, he doesn't need to obey the law, respect the host country or the locals - I speak about respect, not submission, not abandoning one's identity).
And so on. This gets a wide range of people indignated and they vote right. The left should be careful about picking its favourite categories and exclude others, or else they will continue to lose nation wide elections.

As to your quotation from Canard Enchaine, there was a documentary on France2 about their hard left leaning, or the absence of it. The conclusion was that yes.

Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last! (Martin Luther King)

by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot frança) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 07:02:54 AM EST
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Do you know that political expression? Look it up.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 09:14:55 AM EST
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calling Le Canard Enchainé "extreme left" does not make the facts they report false - or do you claim that they are factually incorrect? Lots of people have claimed that, gone to court, and lost.

I only reported a uote by Gaudin. Criticizing the messenger is not an adequate argument.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 09:17:05 AM EST
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making any criticism of Sarkozy "Sarko hatred" is rather dismissive and narrow-minded, especially wen I provide fat to back my arguments and you don't.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 09:18:54 AM EST
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And even if it were so, it would be acquired hatred.

Yes, you could say I hate him. Because he promotes the fear and hatred of the others, because he made a mockery of the rule of law, because his policies are abominably clientelist (to the point where I think we have to call it corruption) and so on. Certainly not because I had anything against him ex ante.

Sometimes, hatred is the sensible reaction.

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 09:26:48 AM EST
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I was ready to discuss that, but when you start by saying he promotes fear and hatred, you're already biased.

This is a symptom of the mind-boggling polarisation of the political life in France.

If Sarkozy calmed things down on his side, the left remains in the same extremist stance.
If you claim that someone won by saying "arabs will rape your daughter", this claim is so extremist that blocks all possible dialogue.
This attitude can be seen all over the French Left today. Their whole problem is how to gather their forces to FIGHT SARKOZY and to FIGHT THE RIGHT. It's almost like a crusade.

What you don't realize is that people are getting fed up with constant "extremisation", they prefer politicians who deal with issues and speak about France, not about adversaries, not vilifying them.
So I repeat: more lost elections are about to come, as long as you guys continue to see the world in Black (the others) and White (Us) and focus on Battles against the Demon.

Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last! (Martin Luther King)

by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot frança) on Sun Nov 23rd, 2008 at 02:13:36 PM EST
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so you're Black. What are you doing on our White blog, then? Trolling?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Nov 23rd, 2008 at 04:45:55 PM EST
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I'm starting to wonder the same thing.

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.
by Bernard on Sun Nov 23rd, 2008 at 05:27:41 PM EST
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Is this blog only for people to spill out their buckets about the evil right? :)

Speaking for more reason and against blind faith could actually appear a bit like trolling, I suppose. What can I say, then... sorry to bother you in your comfort zone, I guess.


Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last! (Martin Luther King)

by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot frança) on Sun Nov 23rd, 2008 at 05:59:18 PM EST
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I give arguments, you give invective. Feel free to continue, I will ignore you if you don't post substantive comments.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Nov 23rd, 2008 at 06:08:06 PM EST
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