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In France there is about 10% non-CDI (undetermined duration contract), so I guess the situation is quite different from what you have in Britain.

We're in agreement on all this, in principle, I was saying I don't see how it could be put into practice, for the costs, IMO, risk to be very high.

I believe in proper pay. I also believe that rather than being made to work more, many persons are actually believing in what they do, are doing their work with pleasure and even passion. I'm not contesting what you say, and just to come clean :) I went on the website of your commission for vulnerabilities and I could do voluntary work for them starting tomorrow. As they concluded, it is all about better unions, better support, and more information so that people cannot be forced extratime or low pay upon, and know they can do something about it.

Employers are motivated to minimize expenses. That's their reason of being: less expenses, bigger prices and bigger sales. That's why they're there, and I'll never expect anything else from them, nor blame them for it. OTOH, work conditions should be precisely and properly regulated by the state, so that it doesn't become unfair, let alone exploitation.

Finally, I also agree with your last paragraph, and again, I don't see how we can put this into practice, even as I'm particularly sensitive to kids spending more time with their own parents instead of filles-au-pair or specialized care.

Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last! (Martin Luther King)

by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot frança) on Tue Nov 25th, 2008 at 04:12:54 PM EST
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how it could be put into practice, for the costs, IMO, risk to be very high.

Are the costs not potentially just as high (although indirectly) through not finding a solution? eg lack of investment in preventative healthcare and early diagnosis causes greater costs in the longer term by firefighting illnesses at a much more serious stage when they could have been prevented or treated more simply.

So by not paying carers and ensuring that they do not suffer significant losses by taking up that role (which needs to be done somehow, by somebody) the 'savings' actually turn into costs in other ways, on the state and not just for the individuals concerned.

The stuff around vulnerable workers is very applicable to broader equalities issues, it is about cutting down the loopholes, bringing in fairer procedures and greater consistency and ensuring people understand what rights they have.  I'm glad you took a look.

I often work longer hours than I should, for precisely the reasons that I love my job and I care about what I do, and yes that is my choice.  But were I to not be able to do those extra hours, I wouldn't be penalised for it or not considered to be pulling my weight or denied training or promotion opportunities.  Where the long hours culture is expected of everybody, that is where people start finding themselves at a disadvantage and that applies just as much to men who can't or won't work the hours as well as women, or disabled people.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Nov 25th, 2008 at 04:50:19 PM EST
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