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Britain tries to block France from 'u-turn' on farm subsidies deal - Telegraph
Senior French officials have admitted that they plan to block attempts to cut European Union farm subsidies worth more than £7 billion a year to France's farmers.

France, which currently holds the EU's rotating presidency, had tabled "conclusions" to a meeting of farm ministers urging that the Common Agriculture Policy should be continued unchanged beyond 2013, the date when a new five year Brussels budget period begins.

But Britain, through Huw Irranca-Davies, Minister for Rural Affairs, has joined with Sweden and Latvia to block France's attempts which would threaten to break promises made three years ago when Britain gave up £7 billion in its annual rebate from Brussels in trade off for an understanding there would be a future cut in farm subsidies.

"There were three or four areas within the text that, despite assurances that it did not predetermine any budget outcome, in our eyes did presuppose that there was a different direction of travel," Mr Irranca-Davies said.

The Daily Telegraph has learned that France is using its EU presidency to try and find ways of protecting the CAP from reform during negotiations in 2009.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 28th, 2008 at 02:30:51 PM EST
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On a scale of 1 to 10, how much cooperation is there between European countries, and will a MAJOR crisis bring you together in solidarity or blow you apart, every country for yourself, wolves take the hind-most?

The music's over. I've turned out the lights. Bye Bye.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Fri Nov 28th, 2008 at 02:35:28 PM EST
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That's not a particularly smart question in reaction to an excerpt from a euroskeptic newspaper on the issue of farm subsidies. What kind of easy agreement would American states reach on the same question, if the decision to be federal had not been taken more than two centuries ago?

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Nov 28th, 2008 at 03:48:21 PM EST
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Hell, I thought that that was one of my better questions and it definitely applies to the US, especially if the the REAL SH*T hits the fan over the next year.  About 2+ years ago I had my own radio program on  Sacramento CA cable access called "Republic of California", a call-in show preparing CA to become an independent state should Bush/Cheney et al decide to let ANOTHER 9/11 occur somewhere and totally shut down the US permanently.
Still have the CD's I burned if you want me to send them to you.

Yeah, I take this sh*t SERIOUSLY!

Might be a stupid question but that's me.

   

The music's over. I've turned out the lights. Bye Bye.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Fri Nov 28th, 2008 at 11:35:43 PM EST
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afew: That's not a particularly smart question in reaction to an excerpt from a euroskeptic newspaper on the issue of farm subsidies.

Hmmm.  While I understand the sentiment behind what you're saying here, that is only because I have been around EuroTrib long enough to know how emotional and bitter disagreements about farm subsidies and the CAP (Common Agricultural Policy) are around here.

But as someone who did not grow up in Europe and had very little interest in the issue of farm subsidies anyway, it has been a long and not very fun learning curve to understanding why people get so upset about it.  And to be honest, I still don't quite get the issue, much less agree fully with the French/EU side.

True, Twank's comment may have been unnecessarily dramatic in magnifying the significance of this particular round of this particular intra-European debate in this particular article.  And true, a little reflection and/or a little more informedness (?) might have made him remember or realize that farm subsidies are also an issue the U.S. has the luxury to deal with in a very different manner.

But with all due respect, I'm not quite sure that calling it "not a particularly smart question" was the fairest or most constructive characterization.

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Sat Nov 29th, 2008 at 01:06:02 AM EST
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marco: the French/EU side

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Sat Nov 29th, 2008 at 02:08:54 AM EST
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you should be able to note that what the telegraph is saying is, quite simply, lies.

The deal back then was that farm spending was protected until 2013, not that it would be reduced after that date (that was always the UK spin, but it had no reality except in the "reality-making sense", which doesn't realy work on that topic when the opposition is organised enough.

As to the "rebate," go read what it was about - the UK was trying to keep a rebate formula that would have made Poland and other Central European countries pay it money rather than the other way around.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Sat Nov 29th, 2008 at 04:19:33 AM EST
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Anyone who wants to insult the crap out of me, feel free.  I don't work for you, I don't live next door to you, I'll probably never meet ANY of you, so just fire away.  ET is an information source for me, nothing else, and if I have to dodge a rotten egg or two in my pursuit of information, that's an extremely small price to pay.

The music's over. I've turned out the lights. Bye Bye.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Sun Nov 30th, 2008 at 08:57:02 AM EST
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