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i think you're missing the point.

have you ever been is dire straits and dependent on others for the very basics of life?

i hope it never happens to you, though it might change your attitude.

some people would rather freeze to death than be made to feel 'less-than'. your sneering at that is sad and not helpful on any level.

honour is a strange concept, suffice it to say that for some it's more important than life, whether you sneer at those who feel that way for not being pragmatic or not.

personally i would take the handout, but i understand and do not feel it's ok to judge those who would rather check out. some things are more important than another band-aid over a broken life.

bon voyage, monsieur

a toi la parole

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Nov 29th, 2008 at 10:21:21 AM EST
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Charity is not a dirty word. It doesn't mean looking down at those smelling beggars and throwing them a piece of bread. Charity and pity are good feelings that come from sympathy and empathy. It makes one jump to the help of some one else. Handout when you've got nothing left, from various reasons, is no shame. There is something called gratitude towards someone that helped you, that I see as slightly more sensible than a honour or other big and empty words.

And when you don't take the handout or choose to remain outside when you've been treated well and with the normal respect, I don't see anything bashworthy towards anyone in charge (be that from the shelter, the ministry or the president). I really think that just like with discriminations, all this should be nuanced well beyond what is obvious. Why people become homeless, how does that change them, what are their own attitudes, how justified, how reproachable (no one is beyond fault, poor or rich), how correct-able, is a dense and deep topic.

Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last! (Martin Luther King)

by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot frança) on Sat Nov 29th, 2008 at 04:34:33 PM EST
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ValentinD:
Charity and pity are good feelings that come from sympathy and empathy. It makes one jump to the help of some one else.

true, but that's the micro, we're trying to get macro when talking about politics.

charity is that and more.

does the word 'vibration' resonate with you?

have you never been given something by someone in such a way that you felt poorer afterwards?

as you often do, you weave truths in with opinion is such a way that comes off as sophistic, to me.

ValentinD:

honour or other big and empty words.

if that is all honour is to you, then i've run out of communication tools, oh well...

no need for reply! we seem to be talking past one another. we both tried, and that's respectable.

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Nov 30th, 2008 at 08:38:38 AM EST
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coming from different ideologies, maybe :)

(honour was meant in that precise context, compared to gratitude and assumming respect in the said handout)

Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last! (Martin Luther King)

by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot frança) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 10:03:39 PM EST
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