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But $25bn for the automakers is too much.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Nov 24th, 2008 at 08:07:29 AM EST
they have too many overcompensated workers, supposedly.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Nov 24th, 2008 at 08:20:14 AM EST
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Even with the executives, though: Funny thing, nobody asks about private jets when the investment houses are involved.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Nov 24th, 2008 at 08:21:43 AM EST
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wrote a nice post about the "image" of finance today.

Finance Has Lost Sight of Its Role
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Now consider: finance is a necessary function, but is represents a tax, a drain on the productive economy, just as defense and lawyers do
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There is a remarkable failure to acknowledge a key element of the task before us, that is, that the financial system HAS to shrink. Its current size is based on an unsustainable level of debt, a big chunk of which will go bust or be renegotiated.
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Willem Buiter has chastised the Fed for what he calls "cognitive regulatory capture," that is, that they identify far too strongly with the values and world view of their charges. But it isn't just the Fed. The media. and to a lesser degree, society at large has bought into the construct of the importance, value, and virtue of the financial sector, even as it is coming violently apart before our eyes. Why, for instance, the vituperative reaction against a GM bailout, while we assume Citi has to be rescued?
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And yet the specter of incompetent, and worse, DISHONEST management elicits far less anger. GM may not make the best cars, but Citi and other banks sold products that were terrible, destructive, that resulted in huge losses and are wrecking economies, damage crappy cars could never inflict (environmentalists might quibble, but never has so much seeming wealth evaporated in so little time, and with the main culprits readily identified). They paid huge bonuses, yet their 2004-mid 2007 earnings have been wiped out by subsequent losses. But while UAW workers will have to give up on deals cut earlier, in terms of health care and pension promises (entered into, by the way, to bridge difference over wage levels), I guarantee no Wall Street denizen of the peak years will have to cough up one penny of his bonus from those days.
by Detlef (Detlef1961_at_yahoo_dot_de) on Mon Nov 24th, 2008 at 11:41:05 AM EST
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Now consider: finance is a necessary function, but is represents a tax, a drain on the productive economy, just as defense and lawyers do

Yes!!!

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Mon Nov 24th, 2008 at 01:16:01 PM EST
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