Pronouncing ideology dead, can that e ideologic ? :)

It can, as in the case of Fukuyama. But that's beside the point, because I was using it as an example of sloganeering - which it indisputably is - not of ideology.

I reply that many americans were still convinced of some of the more logical bits in it,  since they re-elected Bush, and you reply the elections were stolen, choosing to ignore the fact that plus or minus several thousand votes, about 50% actually voted for him.

There are several ways to steal an election, of which actual ballot stuffing is only the crudest one. Massive media dominance also counts as a way to manipulate elections - at least when Vladimir Putin does it...

And as an aside, it's closer to 25 % given the turnout.

Had you paid more attention, I did not argue  in support of the present situation, but about a change of approach, for nuancing and de-polarising stuff in order to keep in touch with reality.

Depolarising the situation requires a good-faith effort from both sides. The Left has - broadly speaking - shown its good faith by moving towards the centre. The Right has - broadly speaking - responded by moving farther to the right. You're barking up the wrong tree here - we've scratched their backs, it's their turn to scratch our backs now.

- Jake

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