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The emphasizing is on both sides. Just like the many examples I gave. It is you who choose to see it as a slogan. They might be trivial (melo already pointed  that out) in theory, but reality is often more complex.
For instance, in France, secularism implies opposition to religion and church, for many historical reasons.
A bit like me being an atheist would mean I am necessarily opposed to any kind of faithful, and not simply outside the faith spectrum. Or like a pragmatist would by definition be opposed to all ideologies (and attacked by all ideologists) when he's rather outside and above the political spectrum.

My point was to show things are more nuanced than simply saying Sarkozy is an ideological monster. We don't agree on positive discrimination for instance. He's also beginning to promote the idea that banks should provide cheap loans for the poor, without indicating who will have to cover the risk. The sloganeering part seems to be rather leftish.

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by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot frança) on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 08:33:46 PM EST
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For instance, in France, secularism implies opposition to religion and church, for many historical reasons.

Bah! Even the most casual tourist can see that the Catholic Church holds a privileged position in French society - de facto if not de jure. If that's your definition of repression against the church, then you have a somewhat curious view of the legitimate role of religious groups in a democratic society.

My point was to show things are more nuanced than simply saying Sarkozy is an ideological monster.

I never said that Sarko was an ideological monster. I just pointed out to you that the slogans you cite give very reasonable cause for complaint and concern from the left, because they belie a right-wing ideological position. At least, if they mean anything at all - but let's be generous to Sarko and assume that he's not a total air-head (or at least that not all of his handlers are...).

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 05:56:45 AM EST
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You are obviously not very knowledgeable concerning both Sarko and the catholic church in France. It smells like you got certain ideas from certain other people here we both know :)

Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last! (Martin Luther King)
by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot frança) on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 09:52:35 AM EST
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I'll freely admit to not being very knowledgeable about Sarko and his policies - so all I have to go by is the slogans you provide, and they make a lot of little red flags go up all by themselves.

As for the Catholic Church, they certainly hold a less privileged position than they do in most formerly Catholic countries... But they are hardly the oppressed dissidents that their own propaganda tries to paint them as.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 12:57:20 PM EST
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What were those slogans again ?...

Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last! (Martin Luther King)
by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot frança) on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 01:08:42 PM EST
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These, for example.

There are more floating around the thread, but these will suffice as examples.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 01:14:03 PM EST
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Those are less slogans and more like balanced, pragmatical, two-sided assessment of practical real-life situations. You may see them as a slogan though.

Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last! (Martin Luther King)
by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot frança) on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 01:32:54 PM EST
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