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And having the electoral process controlled by a small number of media barons is much better? What's their body count?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 03:06:37 PM EST
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IDEOLOGY ALERT

:)

You mean Murdoch media? You think they have any credibility left, after the Bush years ?

Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last! (Martin Luther King)

by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot frança) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 03:36:37 PM EST
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In the UK and Ireland? Loads.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 03:40:39 PM EST
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Do you have precise figures on this?
by Lily (put - lilyalmond - here <a> yahaah.france) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 05:09:26 PM EST
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Nope, only anecdote. Thus "loads".
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 05:28:35 PM EST
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Thank you.
by Lily (put - lilyalmond - here <a> yahaah.france) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 06:09:23 PM EST
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But a good place to start would be circulation figures. They aren't a perfect match for influence (who reads it is as important as how many), but it's a place where you could get hard data that's not easy to fudge. I don't have that data on hand, even for the Danish newspapers, but it should be possible to dig out.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 03:32:09 AM EST
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What would precise figures on the influence of Murdoch's media consist of?

And do you have precise figures for the supposed decline of influence of same?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 03:39:32 AM EST
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What would precise figures on the influence of Murdoch's media consist of?

Anything from statistics to more ample research...

And do you have precise figures for the supposed decline of influence of same?

What "supposed decline of influence" do you refer to? I was looking for data because it is not possible to assess the situation without them.  

by Lily (put - lilyalmond - here <a> yahaah.france) on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 03:25:23 AM EST
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It is also bad but they haven't engaged in any medium or large scale arrests and killings, yet. They manipulate and must be watched - which is possible in a democracy (though it may be difficult); Nazism or communism would render this impossible.

Our democracy as is, is not quite under the rule of a few media barons, yet which is why all tools of democratic participation and legal means to watch over/control power should be used. It is better to concentrate on our freedoms/rights and that we use them wisely instead of pointing to glossy magazines that everyone is free to shun...

"If you cannot say 'no' [to the propaganda the media is feeding us], you won't be able to say 'yes' to greater things." (unknown)

by Lily (put - lilyalmond - here <a> yahaah.france) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 04:56:54 PM EST
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It is also bad but they haven't engaged in any medium or large scale arrests and killings, yet.

... of white people.

That aside, you're quite correct that comparing the current Western European press to the Pravda is - with a few notable exceptions - a gross injustice to the Western European press. The problem is that things are going in the wrong direction, vis-a-vis concentration of media power, and the argument is that if something is not done to curb this trend, we will end up with a press that is, if not entirely Pravdafied, then at least Berlusconified, which is bad enough.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 05:12:41 PM EST
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A sort of anti-trust set of laws, for the media.


Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last! (Martin Luther King)
by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot frança) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 09:33:05 PM EST
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Well, yes, you might call it that. I like constitutional recognition better, because it confers the appropriate gravitas, but anti-trust laws would certainly be a step in the right direction (as they would for all sectors of society - if it's too big to fail, it's too big to make profit, and must be either broken up or nationalised).

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 03:25:24 AM EST
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This, the election subsidizing, the strategical public service.
We can actually agree on some stuff. Hallelujah! :)

Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last! (Martin Luther King)
by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot frança) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 03:54:03 PM EST
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