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It's compact camera, a Lumix FZ-18, from Panasonic  with Leika lens. Not exactly a pocket camera but very light anyway (400 gr with battery). I'm really happy with it for its versatility.
by amanda2006 on Fri Nov 28th, 2008 at 04:27:08 AM EST
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Leica lens
by amanda2006 on Fri Nov 28th, 2008 at 04:33:07 AM EST
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I bought my partner a Panasonic Lumix FZ-7 a couple of years back.  The 12-times optical zoom Leica lens is very good - but I imagine not a patch on your 18-times zoom on the FZ-18.

We're moving up to a digital SLR - buying one between us as a Christmas gift to each other.  The thing you really can't beat with a good SLR is the lens quality...

by canberra boy (canberraboy1 at gmail dot com) on Sun Nov 30th, 2008 at 06:43:36 AM EST
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It took me a long time to make up my mind between this  Panny FZ-18 and a SLR, but I thought it will be a very good middle step in order to learn more before the big jump. The zoom is great and I love the things you can do with macro zoom. Next Friday I will post some photos I took in Lisbon Botanical Garden.
by amanda2006 on Sun Nov 30th, 2008 at 04:40:09 PM EST
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I hate the bridge cameras. They're too big to carry casually and have too many limits compared to a decent SLR.

We owned one for a while and discovered we never, ever, took it anywhere: we either brought a proper compact when size was an issue or we packed a proper camera.

But that's what happens when your camera collection gets out of control.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 03:39:37 PM EST
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Digital SLRs have fallen in price a lot recently.  The value of bridge cameras has been their affordability compared to an SLR, coupled with (generally) better optics than compacts.  But I agree that you don't carry them around as readily as a compact.
by canberra boy (canberraboy1 at gmail dot com) on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 07:01:06 AM EST
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Part of my problem is that we have rather a number of cameras, so the comparisons become obvious - we just never put the bridge camera in the bag because there were too many compromises involved.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 07:06:03 AM EST
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The thing you really can't beat with a good SLR is the lens quality...

You might like to read - if you haven't already - the discussion of compacts v SLRs in an earlier photo diary, in ask the experts section at the end

http://www.eurotrib.com/story/2008/10/23/14227/243

 e.g.:


You might also want to consider the Canon G10 - though real photo enthusiasts might disagree, but it's more portable and I've found that to be a very important consideration; I'm much more likely to take the Lumix with me than previous SLRs. I'm thinking of upgrading to the G10. The quality of the images is "somewhat amazing" according to this pro:


    I had become very impressed with the Canon G10 after just a few days of earlier light-duty testing. Each evening that week I would sit with my 15" Macbook Pro reviewing the day's files. At one point I found myself looking at raw files on-screen and not being sure if I was looking at Hasselblad P45+ files or Canon G10 files. That includes at 100% onscreen enlargements.

    Now, I'm no newbe. After some 50 years in this industry I know what I'm looking at, be it a screen blow-up or a print, and I certainly don't confuse how something looks on a 15" laptop screen (though properly profiled and calibrated) with how it will turn out on a critically produced exhibition-quality print. But nevertheless, I was curious about what I was seeing. In fact I was more than curious, I was somewhat amazed.

    ...

    Over a two day period I invited photographers and local industry professionals to come to my print studio and look at a series of 13X19" prints
    ...

    In every case no one could reliably tell the difference between 13X19" prints shot with the $40,000 Hasselblad and Phase One 39 Megapixel back, and the new $500 Canon G10. In the end no one got more than 60% right, and overall the split was about 50 / 50, with no clear differentiator. In other words, no better than chance.




Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice. Blog - Nice Experience
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 03:31:30 PM EST
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After 50 years in the industry he needs stronger glasses - or he was shooting within the limits of the G10.

And it's user interface was designed by someone who hates photographers.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 03:36:26 PM EST
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Note that it was not just his eyes anyway, included in the quotation above:

 Over a two day period I invited photographers and local industry professionals to come to my print studio and look at a series of 13X19" prints
    ...

    In every case no one could reliably tell the difference between 13X19" prints shot with the $40,000 Hasselblad and Phase One 39 Megapixel back, and the new $500 Canon G10. In the end no one got more than 60% right, and overall the split was about 50 / 50, with no clear differentiator. In other words, no better than chance.

[In the review he also says:]

Be aware as well that these comparisons fall down when prints over about 13X19" are made. Once the output resolution drops below 200PPI the advantages of a 39 Megapixel sensor over a 15 Megapixels sensor become evident. And, even when smaller prints are made, cropping becomes an issue.

Also, though on prints up to 13X19" differences are almost impossible to see, on-screen at 100% one can fairly easily tell which files are from the G10. There are artifacts visible at the micro detail level and one can easily see other hints of what one is paying for.

But, where the rubber meets the road (or more to the point where the ink hits the paper), in medium sized prints it's been almost impossible for experienced photographers who I've shown these comparison prints to to tell the difference. Scary.

One final comment. Landscape and nature shots are one thing - models in a studio with fabrics, delicate skin tones and other challenging subjects are likely to be quite another. Also, I have no idea how well these files might hold up to CMYK conversion. We therefore need to keep expectations within reasons.

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/kidding.shtml

You also say:

"And it's user interface was designed by someone who hates photographers."

A serious photographer doesn't agree:


I really like the layout of the controls on the G10. I rarely have to use the menu while shooting. The ISO wheel is now under the Mode Wheel and there is an Exposure Compensation Wheel where the ISO wheel is on the G9. I use exposure compensation all the time now because it is so easy to get to. There are two programmable Custom Modes that are selected with the Mode Wheel and there is a Programmable Button on the back.

http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2008/10/canon-g10-revie.html


The author of the first review above later did a comparison with the Nikon P6000


The Canon wins the user interface battle on at least a couple of additional fronts. It features three top-mounted mechanical controls; one for shooting mode (as does the P6000) and one each for ISO and exposure compensation. These two functions are available on the Nikon via screen menus, but having them as mechanical controls on the camera makes them much more accessible, and therefore the Canon is that much more of a controllable camera, especially for us old-timers who pine for the days of shutter speed dials and F stop rings. These settings visability when one picks the camera up are a real boon when shooting quickly and not being able to take the time to check settings on-screen.

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/pocket-battleships.shtml



Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice. Blog - Nice Experience
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 08:21:47 AM EST
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You also say:

"And it's user interface was designed by someone who hates photographers."

A serious photographer doesn't agree:


You aren't really trying to argue with me about my subjective opinions, are you?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 08:57:30 AM EST
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 Yes :-) - as you're not just saying you don't like it.  I'm contrasing it with some other opinions, but ones which support what they say by reference to some of the features of the camera, and they seem to be in agreement and don't feel "hated".  

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice. Blog - Nice Experience
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 12:10:11 PM EST
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Do I really have to preface all statements of opinion with "In my opinion", or "It seems to me"?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 12:22:59 PM EST
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Maybe I could make myself a sign: "Warning! Danger of hyperbole ahead!"
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 12:25:59 PM EST
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Calm down :-) Some people might think you had some justification for such an extreme opinion - do you have any objection to having it contrasted with other opinions, with some reasons?

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice. Blog - Nice Experience
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 01:07:06 PM EST
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The Sixties (and beyond) photographer David Bailey used a fairly cheapo Olympus 35mm (as I recall) on his Vogue shoots. But his clients never knew; they were never allowed to look at contact sheets - only a choice of large prints.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 09:18:39 AM EST
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As Ted has said - it is not really the technology, it's what you do with it.

But, in the case of photography, it is important to know how to get what you seek. That's means an understanding not only of cameras, but light, space, the proscenium, the medium of reproduction, and the ability to predict what objects (including people) are likely to do next.

A knowledge of the media of reproduction is know-how that is sadly lacking in a few ADs that I know. Good photographers will be able to adjust their photographs for the medium, whether print or digital. For print, a good repro house knows what to do for the paper and printing method on your behalf- with a good brief. But it is still worth turning up at the printers in time for the run - small tweaks of the inks can improve an expensive job - the machine minder may be hungover and not concentrating on what is routine.

Nowadays you can do all this repro stuff for print yourself. The tools are in the software many of us use. But you have to know what you are doing.

For screen reproduction, a thorough know-how of compression, and the way different software handles digital file formats, are needed as well as the traditional skills.

All commercial photographs have been manipulated in this way for the last 100 years. Except the sable brush skills of a Chinese political retoucher have been replaced by Lolcat captioning. It is hard to make the argument that news pictures should not be manipulated, when they have always been manipulated.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 11:32:01 AM EST
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As Ted has said - it is not really the technology, it's what you do with it.

So long as the technology allows you do what you want or you only want to do what the technology allows.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 12:23:47 PM EST
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...which was the point of my expansion ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 12:33:58 PM EST
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Did I mention Bert Hardy, who was assigned by Picture Post to use a box Brownie for a day. He came back with some good shots, one of which became quite a classic:

hardy

Original caption:

Bert Hardy's Box Camera. In an article three weeks ago Picture Post cameraman Bert Hardy said "It's the cameraman not the camera that wins the prize" We took him at his word and sent him to Blackpool with an ordinary single focus box camera, Those are the photos he took. ca. July 1951 Blackpool, Lancashire, England, UK

But of course, a better camera gives you more options, e.g. if you want really sharp prints at 13 x 19, for example, but a relatively portable camera, the G10 fits the bill.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice. Blog - Nice Experience

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 12:34:55 PM EST
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Reading more stuff on Bert Hardy (who accepted an invitation by one of my students to come and talk to the other students - and was very entertaining and informative), I came across this:

 


Although it wasn't long before Hardy's images of cycling girls and rural landscapes became a feature of the magazine's front and back pages, it was the work of The Bicycle's staff photographer, George Moore, which was to change Bert's career.

Moore used a 35mm Leica. Amazed at the detail in Moore's prints Hardy saved up and bought a second-hand model - probably a Leica I - which he described as old, black and with a fixed 50mm f3.5 standard lens. "I never looked back after buying my first Leica," Bert was to say in later life.

http://www.photohistories.com/Photo-Histories/50/the-life-and-times-of-albert-hardy-1913-1995



Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice. Blog - Nice Experience
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 06:52:31 PM EST
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I see we've come full circle in this thread - I started out by commenting how good a Leica lens was... !
by canberra boy (canberraboy1 at gmail dot com) on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 06:57:12 AM EST
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Thanks for the link, Ted.
by canberra boy (canberraboy1 at gmail dot com) on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 07:33:51 AM EST
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