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Getting back to Hoover and comparisons (but now in a completely different way)....

It seems to be me that Obama is arriving at the same time that Hoover arrived. Whatever he does, my crystal ball says that in 4 years he will be seen as the worst prez ever by the populace (because he will suffer the most of the unwinding of 30 years of trickle-down economics on his term). If you want to compare in terms of timelines to crisis, compare it also to Carter.

Continuing the high speculation, the question is what comes next. Another Reagan is impossible as the model is, literally, bankrupt.

And I sure hope he can teach old dogs new tricks (being the old dogs most of the people that surround him in economic terms), but I am not holding my breath.
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Of all forms of caution, caution in love is perhaps the most fatal to true happiness - Bertrand Russell

by tiagoantao (put_my_login_here <> gmail com) on Fri Nov 28th, 2008 at 07:15:21 AM EST
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The Depression started 6 months after Hoover became Pres - whereas it started 6 months before Obama was elected -  and with another 2 to run before Bush sneaks out of the back door of history.  Something tells me this one is going to be laid at Bush's door, even if Obama has great difficulties in trying to sort it out.

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Fri Nov 28th, 2008 at 12:11:04 PM EST
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And, this economic crisis can be laid at the feet of anglo-american deregulated neo-liberalism as well, and while the average American wouldn't use those words, what they represent is far more associated with the Republicans than the Democrats (though to be sure there are plenty of complicit Democrats with at least a partial hand in the mess, starting with the Vice-President elect).

Hoover may not have been directly responsible, as he inherited the conditions, but it was his party held responsible too. Dems, right or wrong, won't be held reponsible like that. But, if the crisis does not have a positive outcome as seen through the prism of the average American's eyes, they won't get any credit either, and neither party will have any credibility. The backlash of political cynicism will be pretty impressive if "Hope" shifts to "Hope and a Prayer" to a "Holy Prayer" to "Holy Shit!".

And it could very well happen.

But Hoover didn't even try to use the State to make things better. I think he did more for Russian famine victims in the 1920's than US famine victims in the early 1930's.

by redstar on Fri Nov 28th, 2008 at 12:28:30 PM EST
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I would bet you a pint that in July or so, the spin machine will be in full force trying to blame the then current administration on the state of the economy. In fact you already ridiculous atempts to put the current state of things on the election of a liberal (and the fear it causes on Wall Street).

On another front, the amount of Bob Rubin drones around Obama makes me think that there is a possibility that the next administration will be part of the problem, not of the solution. But lets see...

Of all forms of caution, caution in love is perhaps the most fatal to true happiness - Bertrand Russell

by tiagoantao (put_my_login_here <> gmail com) on Fri Nov 28th, 2008 at 04:39:34 PM EST
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