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I may or may not revise this a bit tomorrow morning.  There's a lot of stuff that could go one way or another, and, while Obama seems to have some serious momentum, it could just be statistical noise.

Popular Vote:

Obama 53.5
McCain 45.7
Other .8%

Electoral College:

Obama 379
McCain 159

Obama gets the Kerry states, Iowa, New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada, Virginia, Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Indiana, and Georgia.  Definitely a gut feeling rather than pure math on Indiana and Georgia.

Comes up a little short in Missouri, Montana, North Dakota, and Arizona.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 12:14:30 PM EST
When do we need to open the US election open thread? What's the earliest that there will be anything to talk about?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 12:18:10 PM EST
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They were talking on the BBC about states like Virginia declaring midnight london time.

I'll be around till tiredness and alcohol claim me. I won't be making an effort to stay up cos there'll be more to see in the morning here.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 12:24:11 PM EST
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Is there a news black-out during voting? I can't recall. I seem to remember poll antics providing adequate entertainment last time around.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 12:26:08 PM EST
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not as far as I know. Tho' entertainment value will be gained from watching Justin "I back Mitt romney" Webb's impartial BBC head blow off when a filthy socialst liberal wins the presidency.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 12:28:23 PM EST
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It's been all McCain all the time on BBC web news. Words like 'knife edge' and 'battle ground' abound.

Buried half way down in one of the less obvious features is the fact that the black guy is polling ahead nationally and in all of the states that matter, and that - as a passing footnopte of no obvious interest or relevance - his last Ohio rallies have been getting audiences of 60-80,000.

Also amusing - no mention of the mass defections from the Repubs to Camp Obama. Or of the Obama ground game.

McCain remains relaxed and confident, obviously - much made of the fact that 'The Mac is Back.'

I hope there's someone standing by with Lysol for those exploding brains at BBC Election HQ.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 01:14:54 PM EST
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Hey, McCain had a whopping 1100 in Florida this morning, and I'll bet you only half were reporters. ;)

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 01:16:56 PM EST
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So that's what is going on ...

Had a panic-stricken call from a German friend over the weekend worried McCain was closing within striking distance.

I assuaged his fears.

by ATinNM on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 01:29:00 PM EST
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No exit polls until polls close, state-by-state.  They'll throw a few numbers around to hint, but we won't be able to derive the predicted outcome until they give us the full set as each state closes.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 12:50:48 PM EST
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Put not thy trust in exit polls.

It's really hard to get a valid population for those things.

by ATinNM on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 01:30:15 PM EST
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Yes, although given a half-hour to an hour, they'll be fine.  Just have to wait for them to get a beat on the early and Election-Day voters and reweight them properly.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 01:33:09 PM EST
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Been through this before with you!

You just want a butt-load of Statistical data to munch, crunch, slice, and dice.

:-D

by ATinNM on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 01:35:51 PM EST
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Strictly speaking, I'm a survey statistician, so...yeah, duh. :D

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 01:39:11 PM EST
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No reason to hide.

"Some of my best friends ..."

LOL

by ATinNM on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 01:57:11 PM EST
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Especially when so many people - mostly Dems, by a significant percentage - have voted already.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 01:41:36 PM EST
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That's why a lot of pundits think, even if they won't say, that it's already over.  Obama's win the early vote by crushing margins, and that's 25-30% of the electorate.  Meanwhile, he and McCain were basically splitting people who plan to vote tomorrow.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 01:46:34 PM EST
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No, they just can't report projections before a certain time.  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 12:52:18 PM EST
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There's no blackout, but I think that the major news networks at least don't call any of the states until all have voted. Or at least until California has voted.
by asdf on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 06:19:45 PM EST
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First results are in

Obama wins in earliest vote in tiny Dixville, NH | AP

Barack Obama came up a big winner in the presidential race in Dixville Notch and Hart's Location, N.H., where tradition of having the first Election Day ballots tallied lives on.

Democrat Obama defeated Republican John McCain by a count of 15 to 6 in Dixville Notch, where a loud whoop accompanied the announcement in Tuesday's first minutes. The town of Hart's Location reported 17 votes for Obama, 10 for McCain and two for write-in Ron Paul. Independent Ralph Nader was on both towns' ballots but got no votes.

The last time a Democrat won was in 1968.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Tue Nov 4th, 2008 at 02:51:11 AM EST
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The first half of Indiana closes at 6.30PM on East Coast time, I think.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 12:46:51 PM EST
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6pm ET for Indianapolis.  Don't ask me how I know.  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 12:47:49 PM EST
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Ah, you're right.  Most of it closes at 6.  SW and NW, which I suppose are the two portions in the Central Time Zone, close at 7.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 12:52:16 PM EST
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How'd things go in Indiana this weekend, by the way?

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 01:12:44 PM EST
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We mostly just canvassed African American areas to make sure people had voted, if not, when they were going to vote, and gave them all their polling info.

I don't think the Indy people were ready for the swarm of Chicagoans who descended upon their little town.  They were pretty unorganized in the morning; they didn't have enough walk packets ready for all the people there, but by the time we got back from our first outing, everything was running like a well oiled machine.  It was a pretty dramatic improvement.  They also had 44 staging areas in the city, which is impressive because it's a small city.  All these hotel rooms became impromptu staging locations.  In ours, there were a couple of nice old women who cooked up soul food for all the volunteers.  I guess that was their way of helping out.  That was some spicy chicken....

On the way home, we were pulled over for speeding.  LOL.  Also, we were listening to Bruce Springsteen's The Rising.  I have to say, I had one of those moments where you are jerked out of your skin and see how profound things are.  4 complete strangers, who got up before the sun to drive through the heartland to do their civic duty.  Listening to "Into the fire", realizing how historic this election was...  I got goosebumps.

Because we were canvassing Dem voters, there was positive response.  But I will add that just walking down the street, people driving past and out in their yards would see us in our Obama gear and wave, honk, shout out.  And every gas station or restaurant we stopped at, the person behind the counter wanted to talk about the election, and were supporting Obama.

He's not expected to win IN.   But it is now within the realm of possibility.  Worst case scenario, we make the GOP spend their cash defending it and a lot of people who never vote go vote.  Best case, he wins it.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 01:41:09 PM EST
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Also, it was about 80 degrees there.

It's 75 here in ChiTown today.  Crazy!!!

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 01:44:16 PM EST
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Nothing like the Boss, especially "The Rising," to get ya going for an election. :)

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 01:48:12 PM EST
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Well, there's been something to talk about for the last 2 years, but if you mean when the numbers come in, I don't think the networks are allowed to go there until after 5pm ET.  That won't stop the blogosphere from starting its collective freak-out before then, however.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 12:51:29 PM EST
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Yes, it usually works in this order:

The blogs will have on-location reports from people, rumors will be in abundance, Drudge will leak unweighted exit polls that will all cause either panic or exhilaration, the polls will close, and we'll finally get the true story.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 12:53:34 PM EST
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We will have a nice indication early in the evening.  Indiana will either be called for McCain or Too Close to Call.  

If the latter it's going to be a mildly interesting night.

(I'm practicing my British understatement muscles.)

by ATinNM on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 01:33:36 PM EST
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One of the UK bookies is offering a sucker bet of 66/1 for Obama to win every state.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 12:23:57 PM EST
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that's cruel. It'd be worth a punt on 40 states.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 12:25:11 PM EST
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Any movement in the senate races ? Last I heard was 57 + lieberman.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 12:30:47 PM EST
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Yes.  Looks like 58 Dems (counting Lieberman), 41 Reps and a runoff in Georgia.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 12:47:26 PM EST
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The AA turn-out in Georgia is staying above 30% of total votes.  This is Good News for Obama as well as the Dem Senate candidate Martin.

A 10/31 Research 2000/Kos poll of the Kentucky race has:

McConnell (R) 47 (46)
Lunsford (D) 44 (42)

Already voted (16% of sample)

McConnell (R) 44
Lunsford (D) 56

which is looking good for Lunsford.  Going into tomorrow with a 12% lead means the GOP has to first dig themselves out of a hole before they can pull ahead.  Also the Dem GOTV operation can concentrate on getting identified Dem voters to the polls by ranking: firm Obama voters to Undecideds.  

They are expecting a 70% turn-out in Kentucky.  

The WSJ poll has Obama leading 51 to 43 (MOE 4%.)

McCain gutted the budget for his GOTV operation to fund  his weekend advertising.  This is going to hurt his voting totals.

I'm expecting GOP national vote totals to revert to '00 levels which was ~50 million.  I'm expecting Dem turn-out to be the same (due to racism) as the Kerry '04 numbers, ~59 million.  These raw vote estimates projects to a 54.13% to 45.87% Obama win; roughly in-line with the WSJ poll.  Giving an Obama win of 8.26%.

This is (barely) within Landslide territory.  

With these numbers it is possible to conclude the Georgia and Kentucky Senate races are definitely in play.  Giving an outside chance the GOP is going to be slaughtered in this election, losing 10 Senate seats and upwards of 35 House seats.  

by ATinNM on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 01:25:31 PM EST
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McCain's ads seem to have done nothing and may actually have backfired.  Check out the chart at Real Clear Politics.  McCain is stuck at 44 and may actually be moving down.  Obama, in contrast, literally headed almost straight up, now closing in on 52.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 01:27:50 PM EST
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Have the more rightwards leaning media organisations polls slid towards Obama over the last few days, so that they can paint a relatively small Win compared to their poll results as a democrat failure? might that be what is showing up in the polls as McCain failure over the last few days?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 01:39:00 PM EST
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Not sure.  Could be noise, or the undecideds might simply be breaking for Obama.  McCain might be going down, but that's not clear.  Both should go up as they take their share of undecideds, barring a catastrophe on either side.  Beltway CW sez McCain gets a 70/30 split of undecideds.  I thought more like 55/45.  But right now they seem to be going almost 100% for Obama on that RCP chart.  He's just a bit more than half a point away from his largest lead ever.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 01:42:26 PM EST
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how do they justify that 70/30 split? is it people who were really decided, just didn't want to admit they were voting republican?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 01:48:24 PM EST
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It's people who don't pay attention mostly, and who just aren't comfortable with Obama.  Or so the pundits say.  Chris Matthews had a good rant on them after Obama's infomercial.  "He's got a great family, he's served his community, (etc).  What's it gonna take for these people to vote for a black guy?"

I never bought it, frankly, but as you know I'm not a big believer in the Bradley Effect (which is basically what the pundits were predicting).  I thought the demographics said they'd break with a slight McCain lean, but nothing incredible, and a break for Obama is hardly out of the question.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 01:51:20 PM EST
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The sacrificial sheep's liver had two bumps on it.

Also during the sacrifice birds were seen flying from the East to the West.

What else does one need?

by ATinNM on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 02:02:18 PM EST
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Beltway CW sez McCain gets a 70/30 split of undecideds.

No way.  Nonsense.

I'll your 55/45 Obama/McCain projection.  Obama has out hustled McCain in every single state he's entered.  That's what gets the Undecideds.

by ATinNM on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 01:53:14 PM EST
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The theory is that these are Republicans who are unhappy with their Party, but who can't bring themselves to vote for Obama or pro-lifers who like everything else about Obama.  I think mostly these people will break evenly or stay home.  

Also worth noting: undecideds sometimes, who knows how often, say they are undecided for weird personal reasons: the need for attention, the desire for people to leave them alone, the paranoia that their neighbors will find out.  They may very well know who they are voting for.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 02:04:32 PM EST
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Right.  I was referring to True Undecided voters.
by ATinNM on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 02:12:09 PM EST
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No, no, my call was M55-45O on the undecideds.  Maybe 60/40.  Slight McCain lean.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 02:22:17 PM EST
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In that case:

I don't agree.  

The Dems have too many structural advantages.  Or it could be put the GOP has too many disadvantages.  These  advantages and Obama's GOTV is teh awesome and something the country has never seen.  

Ever.

Could I be wrong?  Of course.  

But the ground operation is critical for getting 'your' Undecideds to the polls as, by definition, these voters are low-information, low-enthusiasm, and loosely attached to the process.  The CW is based on previous elections where the GOP had the superior ground game.

by ATinNM on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 02:41:12 PM EST
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Heh.  Well, so far, you seem to be more right than me, and I'm certainly not complaining. :)

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 02:56:57 PM EST
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I am older, thus wiser, than you.  (and get the HECK off my lawn!  Darnitall!!!)

Stick with me kid and you'll be wearing horse poop as big as diamonds.

by ATinNM on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 03:23:22 PM EST
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I am older, thus wiser, than you.

Hey, I whomped you on Iowa.  Now if you'll please toss my nerf football back into my yard, that'd be swell. ;)

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 03:29:30 PM EST
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Ok, here tis ---

Seriously, I've learned a lot from your posts.  Thank you.

by ATinNM on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 03:44:06 PM EST
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This is when the 72-hour Undecideds, decide.  They seem to be breaking nationally for Obama but that's a low confidence statement.  

What we can state with confidence is the McCain campaign has a severely broken GOTV operation which means Obama DOES have a major structure advantage in the attempt to carry this group.

by ATinNM on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 01:50:06 PM EST
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The McCain campaign has been a Charley-Foxtrot from the git-go.  No reason to change a losing strategy, huh?  

Meanwhile, all campaign long Obama has over-preformed Southern polling.  Southerners in general and AAs, in particular, don't like giving their voting intents over the telephone to strangers.  I'd be willing to wage this upturn is in the South.

We could even be looking at SC going Obama.  

At which point my head will explode.  

by ATinNM on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 01:46:08 PM EST
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At which point my head will explode.

You and Justin Webb. This could get messy.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 02:10:35 PM EST
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Every rational prediction is SC should be one of the early states for McCain.  If, for some weirdness, it does go Obama then we're looking at Mississippi, Arizona, Kentucky, and (god help us) even Texas and Louisiana being in play.  In that scenario Obama could end up in the 400 and MAYBE 500 EV range.

And the muffled sound of ka-boom ripples across the US.

;-)

This is VERY unlikely, BTW.

by ATinNM on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 02:26:06 PM EST
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The only truly interesting thing in the BBC coverage is the historical map of previous elections.

I had no idea that the South used to be a Dem stronghold, or just how badly Dems have been slaughtered in landslides.

There has never been a true Dem landslide of 400+. Clinton came closest, but there's been nothing to match the total wipe outs inflicted on Dukakis and McGovern.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 02:35:58 PM EST
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Eeehm, Johnson v. Goldwater, 1964? Plus, Roosevelt got over 400 every election he stood.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 02:41:00 PM EST
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I had no idea that the South used to be a Dem stronghold

And Abe Lincoln was a Republican.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 02:42:26 PM EST
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That I knew. :)
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 02:48:48 PM EST
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The South was reliably Dem until President Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act, ending Jim Crow.

That signing was basis of the GOP Southern Strategy.

by ATinNM on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 02:47:09 PM EST
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FDR got over 400.  He actually got over 500 in '36.  LBJ got close to 500 in the last hurrah of the New Deal Coalition.  But, yeah, no Dem in the modern era has hit 400.  Clinton came close.  It'd be very tough for Obama, but he's got a shot at it (gotta win all the obvious swing states, plus Georgia and Arizona).

The history of American politics is largely a history of conservative industrialists and capitalists with brief periods of pretty strong liberalism thrown in when things got way off track.

The Dems were the party of slavery and, later, Jim Crow right up to the 1960s.  Johnson said, just before he signed the Civil Rights Act, "We've lost the South for a generation."  It's been three generations, actually.  Might finally start to see some daylight tomorrow (ironically, with a black nominee).  Dems did the right thing and paid for it by losing a lot of for forty years.

But, really, we've been in a conservative swing for forty years.  Prior to Nixon, it was a liberal swing, even under guys like Ike.  Now we seem to be at the very front end of the next realignment, which looks like a liberal one.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 04:12:40 PM EST
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Nixon was not a part of Movement Conservatism, even if he was an asshole.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 06:12:35 PM EST
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I had a half baked idea to throw up an early "election lounge" to shoot the bull before election results start coming in. Since our American side seems to merit that honour, go ahead.

We're sort of an international crowd with a focus on Europe but many of us have lived long times in the States or are dual nationals.

After all the Europeans invented the "salon"- the French actually which gave us the modern French language, clear and concise. And our subversive federalists used to hang around those salons in the old days.

But what is the American equivalent? "Lounge" alliterates well. Drinks are on the house.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 01:00:54 PM EST
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Drinks are on the house.

You may regret that offer. Especially if Crazy Horse and Metatone bulk order the Caol Ila

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 01:23:17 PM EST
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I dunno.  I think you and I could probably drive de Gondi into bankruptcy court.  I seem to recall us putting away a fair number in a fairly short period, and I doubt either of us has seen our tolerance fall.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 01:31:43 PM EST
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I'll count on Berlusconi to decriminalize bankruptcy for me.
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 01:59:20 PM EST
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Have you any idea how expensive Caol Ila is ? I can drink a lot of beer, but not an amount that would cost close to half a bottle of that.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 02:13:50 PM EST
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Not every bottle is expensive... just certain bottles.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 02:18:01 PM EST
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To be more exact, google finds me a range of $42.99 to $1,037.08 for normal bottle sizes.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 02:30:56 PM EST
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we'll stick with the median bottles. ;-)

actually have two new Coal Ilas at 24 and 27 yrs, a Port Ellen sherry cask at 25, and a Tomatin distilled in 1976 and bottled a few months ago.  Should help me get past my hand cast depression, when opened.

been really down with my hand so swollen (no, haven't forgot that there's no damage and just soreness in the hip).  reading analysis of 25 years of securitization hasn't helped.  a nice pickup from de Gondi's accounts of student liveliness though.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 02:48:16 PM EST
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Cast? What I miss?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 02:53:51 PM EST
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a slight idiot-caused accident while skating through the Sat OT.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 03:02:45 PM EST
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Found it. Ow!
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 03:03:43 PM EST
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Here's a song to cheer you up:

And I'll raise a glass of cheap Weinbrand left over from the WG Party here last Saturday. The Queen Margot being alle.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 03:01:27 PM EST
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Vielen Dank, nanne.  Yeah, Laura Nyro!  Seit lange nicht gesehen.  Save the Country!

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 03:08:22 PM EST
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Ok, I can probably put down $40 of beer without breaking a sweat, but I'd need a good crew to equal the more expensive stuff.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 02:52:07 PM EST
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On Indiana, Zogby had a poll out today that had McCain up by five. Discounting his polling, the last two polls (ARG, SurveyUSA) have the race tied. If the polling is not off, this one could come within a single digit. Neither candidate has recently polled above 50. You might see a 49/48 result.

In Missouri, Obama is doing better in the polls the few last days, equalising or pulling ahead of McCain. If IN goes Obama, MO should too, and I think by a bigger margin.

There's been less polling in North Dakota, but that polling has been better for Obama.

In Georgia, we're relying on the pollster's models to be flawed (the African American share of the electorate becoming much larger). So you have PPP out there today with a 2 point lead for McCain, which should be bridged, but SurveyUSA shows him ahead by five, which would become a stretch.

P.S. Latest Alaska poll has McCain up by 3 points. Begich up by 7 against Stevens, Berkowitz by 6 against Young.

I'll go with the landslide and give Obama ND, MT and MO as well, for 396 to 142.

If Obama wins Georgia, Martin will also win against Chambliss. So that makes 59 Senate seats. Only 1 upset needed from there.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 01:53:47 PM EST
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If that Zogby poll is from the Internet -- forget it.

Otherwise, the Zogby Polling Model assumes a 2004-like turn-out.  Ain't gonna happen.

by ATinNM on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 02:04:12 PM EST
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An Obama win in Alaska and Arizona would be - amusing.

Okay - make that very amusing.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 02:10:52 PM EST
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make that ROTFLMAO.

But it'll be the fault of the same liberal media that won it for Gore and Kerry.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 02:16:17 PM EST
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Alaska - not just amusing, but very useful... it'd help slow the momentum of Palin into the future.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 02:19:53 PM EST
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I want to see Wyoming for Obama. Now that would make my day.
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 04:12:42 PM EST
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I was figuring on Indiana or Missouri going to Obama.  It was a coin toss, so I chose Indiana.  Judging by the polls today, that may be stupid.  (shrug)

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 02:18:07 PM EST
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You're obviously not using a model in which the results in neighbouring states influence one another ;-)
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 02:33:40 PM EST
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Neighboring states?  Okay, Iowa is for Obama (Iowans would probably make him King of Everything if given the chance), as well as Illinois, but Arkansas and Kansas?

Indiana, on the other hand, has Illinois, Ohio, Michigan and Kentucky.  Now, granted, Kentucky's as backwards and stupid as it gets, but still....

Meh, you're probably right.  Missouri has Kansas City and St Louis, so it's probably more likely.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 03:00:30 PM EST
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The only thing I can think of is that IIRC Obama took longer to move into Missouri. So it is possible that his organisation there is less impressive than that in Indiana.

Otherwise, going by a comparison of Missouri and Indiana on fivethirtyeight, the states are similar in a lot of ways, but MO should be slightly more friendly to the Democrats.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 03:14:33 PM EST
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Clare McCaskill country?

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 03:18:46 PM EST
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Yes.

If Obama can re-constitute the McCaskill coalition he's got it.  On the plus side, she was an early supporter (Jan. 2008) of Obama.  Don't know how that is playing-out.

The M & M squad (Marek and Mary) are utterly failing in their task of keeping us informed of current happenings in Missouri.  For some reason they, the slackers, are putting electing Obama as their first priority.  

by ATinNM on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 03:30:59 PM EST
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Marek is in Mo?  I thought he was in NYC.

Here are some posts from an acquaintance who has gone to work in Mo.

http://www.prairiestateblue.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=4639

http://www.prairiestateblue.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=4640

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 03:33:30 PM EST
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He must have decided NY state was safely on the Obama column. Now, I forget whether we were told why he decided to go to Missouri of all battleground states, but it would be interesting to know.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 03:35:45 PM EST
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Well, I am glad he did!

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 03:40:11 PM EST
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I agree.  

I actually can't speak for Indiana, except for that part that is in Chicagoland.  

But Mo. sounds like they have good ground operation. Anecdotally, it sounds better than the one in IN.  StL has a large African American population.  The rest of Mo is pretty conservative, but it's a perverse kind of conservative.  They have this stubborn independent distrustful streak.  It's difficult to explain.  They're a little unhinged, maybe.  FWIW, my peeps are from Missouri, hardcore Irish Democrats.  My grandfather worked on JFK's campaign.  Mo voted for a dead person when the alternative was John Ashcroft.  Harry S Truman was from Mo.  Mark Twain was from Missouri.  Maryb is from Mo.  I have faith the Show Me state can do the right thing when they put their minds to it.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 03:31:39 PM EST
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Martin is polling a little behind Obama, and the Libertarian inthe Senate race is taking enough to keep Shameless and Martin below 50%.

Can't trust SUSA in the South.  Or at least you couldn't all year.  They consistently underestimated Obama's share of black folks as well as turnout among blacks and young whites.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 at 02:21:31 PM EST
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