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I suppose it is easier to think about from the banker's viewpoint.

Case 1: Inflation rate is 5%, interest rate is 10%. I loan somebody $100; at the end of a year he or she pays back $110. I have gained $10 of cash due to interest, and lost $5 of value due to inflation. Net gain of $5.

Case 2: Inflation rate is 0%, interest rate is 5%. I loan $100; get back $105. I have gained $5 in cash, not lost or gained any value. Net gain of $5.

Case 3: Inflation rate is -5%, interest rate is 0%. I loan $100, get back $100. I have not lost or gained any cash, but have gained $5 of value due to deflation. Net gain of $5.

Case 4: inflation rate is -10%, interest rate is -5%. I loan $100, get back $95. I have lost $5 of cash, but have gained $10 in value due to inflation. Net gain of $5.

What is wrong with this argument?

by asdf on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 11:19:22 AM EST
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Because in case 4, not loaning has a net gain of €10 ; loaning at a negative rate is certainly worse than not loaning. So loaning won't happen.

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by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 11:32:19 AM EST
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Hmmm. Ok, but if the banker DID loan, he would make the same amount of money. So the problem is to get out of the deflationary stalling of the economy, which is exactly the problem today. To do so, one tries

Case 5: Inflation rate is -10%, interest rate is now adjusted by the government to -10%. I loan $100, get back $90. I have lost $10 of cash, but have gained $10 in value due to inflation. Net gain of $0 and there is risk. So I don't make loans in this case, either...

Hmmm.

by asdf on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 11:51:58 AM EST
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No. In case 4, if the banker loans, at the end of the period, he has €95 ; if he doesn't, he has €100

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by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 11:54:49 AM EST
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Even if you could force the bank to loan you wouldn't get out of it, since the money would not then be spent. It would be held, to benefit from the negative interest rate.

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by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 12:11:01 PM EST
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