Display:
SPECIAL FOCUS Financial crisis
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Nov 30th, 2008 at 03:09:44 PM EST
Asian Funds Give Stocks Second Look - WSJ.com

HONG KONG -- Fund managers in Asia started to creep back into stock markets in November, encouraged by the recent sharp drop in prices.

For much of this year, fund managers have held higher-than-usual cash positions amid volatile market conditions. The high cash positions have also been in preparation for redemption requests from panicky investors. Managers who waded into securities have generally preferred bonds over equities, but that appears to be changing.

For the first time since May this year, managers indicated they were tiptoeing into stocks. Managers said they were "slightly overweight" on equities, according to Dow Jones's monthly poll of portfolio managers active in Asia. Weightings reflect managers' portfolio composition compared to benchmark indexes.

"The appetite for risk is increasing. Cash should increasingly be invested in equities," said New Star's Gregor Logan, adding that "the discount in earnings is likely to be less substantial than currently priced in."

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Nov 30th, 2008 at 03:53:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Invest in FOOD stocks.  Rumor has it people like to eat and the planet is hip deep in people DNA.

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 06:29:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]
EU still considering French government's bank bailout plan: spokesman - MarketWatch
BRUSSELS (MarketWatch) -- The European Commission hasn't blocked France's bank bail-out plan and negotiations on the matter are continuing, a commission spokesman said Sunday. "We are not blocking (the plan), we just haven't agreed to it yet. There is a difference," said spokesman Jonathan Todd, who specializes in competition matters. Todd was responding to a report in the Financial Times that said the commission is blocking a French plan to bail out the country's six main retail banks, as it holds the view that banks shouldn't be allowed to use state support to increase their lending.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Nov 30th, 2008 at 03:54:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Bloomberg.com: Europe

Nov. 29 (Bloomberg) -- The European Commission denied it's blocking France's 10.5 billion-euro ($13 billion) bank-rescue plan and said the two sides are still negotiating.

"We haven't blocked the plan, because we haven't taken a decision," Jonathan Todd, spokesman for European Competition Commissioner Neelie Kroes, said in a telephone interview today. Kroes held talks with French finance minister Christine Lagarde yesterday, and both sides are keen to reach a deal "as soon as possible," Todd added.

The Financial Times reported yesterday that the European Commission would veto the rescue plan unless the banks reduced lending. The French government is pushing BNP Paribas SA, Societe Generale SA and four other lenders to boost loans by 3 to 4 percent in exchange for the aid.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy also denied the commission had blocked the plan. "Absolutely not," Sarkozy replied when asked by reporters today in Doha, Qatar. "I don't think there is such a will from any commissioner," he said.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Nov 30th, 2008 at 03:56:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Bloomberg.com: Europe

Nov. 29 (Bloomberg) -- The yen gained for a fourth straight month against the euro, the longest wining streak since 1999, as the deepening global economic slump prompted investors to sell high-yielding assets and pay back loans made in Japan.

The euro weakened against the dollar for a fifth month as investors added to bets the European Central Bank will cut interest rates next week after inflation in the region slowed by the most since at least 1991. Russia's ruble declined against the dollar to the weakest level since March 2006 as the central bank let the currency depreciate and raised interest rates to halt an exodus of foreign capital.

"The yen is still our favorite currency," said Derek Halpenny, head of global currency research at Bank of Tokyo- Mitsubishi Ltd. in London in an interview on Bloomberg Television. "The interest-rate differential argument is still very, very powerful for the Japanese yen as yields around the world continue to plunge. Past performance tells you that the Japanese yen is going to be the currency that outperforms."

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Nov 30th, 2008 at 04:00:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Dollar Advances Against Euro - WSJ.com

The euro fell to a four-session low against the dollar after data showing a drop in euro-zone inflation forced the European currency to give up much of its gains from earlier in the week.

The European Union's Eurostat statistics agency said the annual rate of inflation in the 15 countries that use the euro fell to 2.1% in November from 3.2% in October. That was the largest decline in a month since euro-zone inflation records began in 1997.

The inflation report hurt the euro because it means the European Central Bank will probably be less worried about inflationary pressures, and therefore more likely to cut interest rates this coming week in an effort to jump-start the region's economy. Lower ECB interest rates (the benchmark rate is 3.25%) would tend to reduce returns on euro-based assets, making the currency less appealing.

"The market is no doubt looking for an ECB rate cut next week of at least [half a percentage point]after the 'flash' euro-zone CPI estimate collapsed," Stephen Malyon, senior currency strategist at Scotia Capital, said Friday. "We remain bearish toward the euro versus the dollar."

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Nov 30th, 2008 at 04:01:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Anyone know what's causing this ? The dollar should be falling still and the yen is hardly out of the doldrums itself.

Is it just market CW based on smoke and nonsense, are they over-exagerrating germany's issues or is there something else again causing this ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 06:23:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Here are two possible and very approximate explanations:

  1. Investors of all stripes know what's good for them and trust the economies of the US and Japan to deliver over the coming years, and their governments therefore to be able to raise taxes and pay off debt, or

  2. Investors of all stripes are busy selling off assets and unwinding international positions that are written in US$ or, for the yen, see carry trade, and this creates demand for these two currencies.

Any and all other explanations welcome.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 09:33:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Oh, and

3) Everybody knows the ECB is about to bring interest rates down, and "markets are anticipating".

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 09:38:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]
And here's Ambrose Evans-Pritchard:

4) World stability hangs by a thread as economies continue to unravel - Telegraph

Investors are retreating into 3-month US Treasury bills - the ultimate safe-haven. The yield has fallen to 0.02pc, less than zero after costs. You pay Washington to guard your money.

(Read the whole article, go on)

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 09:51:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]
It's an interesting article, even if I disagree with practically all of his conclusions.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 10:02:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Last but not least:

5) Europe.Is.Doomed

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 09:55:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]
6. Money people are conservative. They keep repeating the same mistakes until something explodes.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 11:52:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I have seen a few people advance the #2 scenario...and that as soon as the market is wrung dry of anything that might give a profit (or less of a loss), then that is it for the dollar, in a free-fall kinda way.

It makes sense to me.

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 02:43:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]
BBC NEWS | Business | Russia hikes rates to help rouble

Russia's central bank increased its key interest rate to 12% from 11% in an attempt to reduce an outflow of money and curb the decline in the rouble.

The move is also aimed at containing inflationary pressures.

On Monday the head of the central bank refused to rule out the possibility that the national currency, the rouble, could weaken.

However, Sergei Ignatiev stressed that both the bank and the government wanted to avoid a devaluation.

Russia has been spending billions of dollars to support the rouble.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Nov 30th, 2008 at 04:17:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Chinese exploit western job losses

Out-of-work finance professionals in the UK and US have a new reason for optimism about their employment prospects - especially if they speak Mandarin.

Chinese financial institutions are set to exploit the widespread job losses in western financial centres as a result of the credit crunch by next month embarking on a hunt for financial experts willing to relocate.

The Shanghai Financial Service Office has told state media the city is sending a delegation to New York, Chicago and London to recruit specialists in risk management, asset management, product research and development, macro economics and policy analysis.



In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Nov 30th, 2008 at 04:25:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Hahaha, these people destroyed the western banking system and now china wants to self-destruct too. How stupid can they be ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 06:25:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Serious People™ don't believe what you are saying.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 09:35:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Concerns mount on ability to fund state debt

Fears are rising over the ability of governments to raise the vast amounts of debt they need to pay for economic stimulus packages and bank bail-outs.

Faced with the prospect of governments around the world issuing more than €2,000bn ($2,535bn) of bonds in the next year, bankers are warning of potential problems in meeting funding needs.

(...)

The rush of bond issues comes against a background of record low yields in some countries because of recession and fears of deflation. Last week, 10-year bonds in both the US and the UK fell to 50-year lows.

However, faced with contracting economies, lower tax receipts, and rising benefit payments, countries could face higher debt-servicing costs as overall debt levels rise.



In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Nov 30th, 2008 at 04:27:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I've heard there's rumours on the eeeh internets
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun Nov 30th, 2008 at 06:33:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Who will be the first to fail?

France, of course!  And you know what that means:

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

[Drew's WHEEEEE™ Technology]

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sun Nov 30th, 2008 at 08:11:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]
We still have to figure out if we can save both the troubled portion of the existing financial sector and "the rest of the economy" in any given country or zone.  If we cannot, is there any chance of figuring that out in time to save either?  And what would be required politically for a government to decide to save the "rest of the" economy?  

Practically, it would seem to consist of identifying and replacing insolvent institutions with new institutions capable of performing their functions.  I have the sense that Paulson and the current crew in charge of the US economy do not want to find out how bad bad is.  If they did, it might be too obvious that many of their cohort are doomed.  I fear that the policies, if they can be called policies, that are currently being followed are tantamount to having the lifeboats of the Titanic tie on to the Titanic in an effort to keep it afloat.

 

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Nov 30th, 2008 at 10:21:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]
ARGeezer:
I have the sense that Paulson and the current crew in charge of the US economy do not want to find out how bad bad is.  If they did, it might be too obvious that many of their cohort are doomed.  I fear that the policies, if they can be called policies, that are currently being followed are tantamount to having the lifeboats of the Titanic tie on to the Titanic in an effort to keep it afloat.

slight correction, they don't want the public to know how deep the rot has set in.

at the same time as threatening social breakdown and martial law as blackmail!

that's what paulson's shit-scared of, and i can see why.

excellent twist on the titanic metaphor, btw.

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Nov 30th, 2008 at 10:38:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]
While I agree that most of all they don't want the public to know, I suspect that even Paulson is afraid to look at  just how bad it really is.  Easier to ask "Who could have known?"

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Nov 30th, 2008 at 11:50:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]
the parallel is arresting, i find.

between
ARGeezer:

We still have to figure out if we can save both the troubled portion of the existing financial sector and "the rest of the economy" in any given country or zone.  If we cannot, is there any chance of figuring that out in time to save either?  And what would be required politically for a government to decide to save the "rest of the" economy?  

and this earlier quote i posted from stan goff

melo:

This extractive praxis inherently destroys biotic systems -- whether it be the body of a cow, or an entire ecosystem -- because no biotic system can survive being stripped for specific "high value" parts. Ecosystems, like animals, function as a whole. The rates of return demanded by finance capitalism are inherently incompatible with the rate of solar return expressed by natural growth patterns in biotic systems.


~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Nov 30th, 2008 at 10:46:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]
in the newspapers can approach a subject where MSM dare not tread.

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 06:52:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]
LOL! Now that you brought the subject up, I have seen many more insightful political cartoons and comics than op-eds and news articles!  I guess that is a traditional role of comedy, like the court jester.  Bring to the fore those things others can't say.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 08:43:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Indeed, the court jester traditionally (cf King Lear and the Fool) was allowed (encouraged?) to say things to his master that no-one else could say without losing his or her head. But the message had to be couched in indirect terms - as a song, a riddle or a poem. The skill of presentation (cf 'Duelling' - the forerunner of rap) alleviated the latent criticism.

A rapper can say things about his 'opponent' that, said directly, would result in gunplay.

There is a whole list of Chinese movies that were critical of the Mao and Post-Mao period - at the time - that were political allegories, if you understood the symbolism. The scripts for these movies were so successfully obfuscated that they passed the censors.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 09:03:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I think Beneath the Planet of the Apes was the first Hollywood production to feature protests against the Vietnam war, Conquest of the Planet of the Apes the first to feature rioting blacks against the police, and Battlestar Galactica portrayed the Iraq occupation form the pov of the occupied.

That which can not be said, can be said if it is space movies with apes and robots.

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!

by A swedish kind of death on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 10:58:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Now perhaps we need a TV series How to Loot a Nation.  It could be done along the lines of the Sopranos, Deadwood, Mad Men, etc.  ET would probably contribute plot lines, situations and jokes as a public service.  That is probably the only way a wider understanding of how we got here and a possible way out could be embedded in the brains of more than a tiny few.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 11:08:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The bit where Bush gets a hernia lifting George Washington's writing desk into a U-Haul helicopter is particularly amusing. The fact that Blackie, while his master is immobilised, starts to hump him, only adds to the mirth of the attendant marines as well as us at home. While some may find the humour closely related to the Whitehall Farce - and indeed some trousers do descend inauspiciously in the first episode: 'Emission Accomplished' - the hand of Judd Apatow is clearly evident.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 01:47:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]
That would be the epilogue, while the credits are running.  I had in mind starting it during the Nixon Administration, with Chendy, Rummy, Miltie, Jerry F, Barry, Ronnie and freinds and a host of Democrats.  Change the names to protect the guilty, but make everyone identifiable, with traditional fictional disclaimers.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 06:15:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Or change the guilty to protect the names...

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 07:11:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]
To me, there's a difference between intentional concealed criticism and having narratives work on multiple levels by exploiting the zeitgeist.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 12:47:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]
And you think these was not intentional?

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!
by A swedish kind of death on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 12:40:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Date     1 mo     3 mo     6 mo     1 yr     2 yr     3 yr     5 yr     7 yr     10 yr     20 yr     30 yr
11/03/08     0.20     0.49     1.07     1.31     1.45     1.69     2.71     3.21     3.96     4.73     4.33
11/04/08     0.29     0.48     1.03     1.28     1.39     1.59     2.56     3.06     3.81     4.58     4.20
11/05/08     0.16     0.40     0.90     1.22     1.36     1.64     2.50     2.99     3.73     4.49     4.13
11/06/08     0.13     0.32     0.83     1.17     1.28     1.63     2.46     3.01     3.75     4.52     4.19
11/07/08     0.13     0.31     0.83     1.20     1.33     1.71     2.56     3.11     3.83     4.57     4.25
11/10/08     0.11     0.29     0.91     1.16     1.27     1.78     2.51     3.06     3.82     4.50     4.21
11/12/08     0.10     0.18     0.75     1.03     1.19     1.60     2.37     3.00     3.75     4.44     4.17
11/13/08     0.08     0.22     0.93     1.16     1.24     1.62     2.43     3.07     3.84     4.57     4.34
11/14/08     0.06     0.15     0.90     1.14     1.22     1.53     2.33     2.94     3.72     4.43     4.22
11/17/08     0.06     0.12     0.81     1.08     1.22     1.53     2.32     2.92     3.68     4.42     4.20
11/18/08     0.10     0.12     0.76     1.05     1.15     1.44     2.22     2.79     3.53     4.32     4.14
11/19/08     0.09     0.07     0.66     0.97     1.09     1.36     2.08     2.64     3.38     4.17     3.96
11/20/08     0.05     0.03     0.52     0.87     1.00     1.20     1.94     2.43     3.10     3.87     3.64
11/21/08     0.03     0.02     0.45     0.83     1.09     1.35     2.02     2.53     3.20     3.93     3.70
11/24/08     0.01     0.13     0.54     0.95     1.31     1.53     2.24     2.71     3.35     4.01     3.78
11/25/08     0.04     0.10     0.53     0.95     1.15     1.41     2.06     2.49     3.11     3.85     3.63
11/26/08     0.02     0.05     0.48     0.93     1.09     1.38     2.01     2.43     2.99     3.77     3.54
11/28/08     0.02     0.01     0.44     0.90     1.00     1.27     1.93     2.35     2.93     3.71     3.45

Time for Junior to give us another "Mars, Bitches!" speech.  Deflation's fun, fun, fun!

YEEHAWWW!!

[Drew's WHEEEEE™ Technology]

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 12:47:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Deep Discounts Draw Shoppers, but Not Profits - NYTimes.com

Sales in the nation's stores were strong over the weekend, to the relief of retailers that had been expecting a holiday shopping period as slow as the overall economy.

But while spending was up, there were troubling signs in the early numbers. The bargains that drove shoppers to stores were so stunning, analysts said that retailers -- already suffering from double-digit sales declines the last two months -- would probably see their profits erode even further.

Also, after shoppers flooded stores on Friday, foot traffic trailed off significantly on Saturday and Sunday.

Retailing professionals consider the weekend after Thanksgiving a barometer of overall holiday sales, which account for 25 to 40 percent of their annual sales. And in a year marked by an economic crisis, they are desperate for any signs that consumers are still willing to spend.



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 02:53:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]
FT.com / Companies / Financials - RBS promises mortgage respite

The political and public campaign to force Britain's banks to do more to help customers weather the economic downturn will gain impetus on Monday with a promise from Royal Bank of Scotland to give at least six months' breathing space to homeowners who fall behind with mortgage payments.

The promise, which will put pressure on other banks to make similar commitments, comes as ministers prepare to outline plans that could see voluntary codes of practice for the banking industry placed on a statutory footing.<

The promise by RBS, which also owns NatWest, comes days after the government took ownership of a 58 per cent stake in the bank after shareholders shunned the offer to buy new shares as part of the bank's £20bn ($30.7bn) capital injection.

The bank's pledge not to begin repossession proceedings until customers were six months or more in arrears is double the minimum recommended by industry guidelines



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 03:02:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Display:
Login
. Make a new account
. Reset password
Occasional Series