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the parallel is arresting, i find.

between
ARGeezer:

We still have to figure out if we can save both the troubled portion of the existing financial sector and "the rest of the economy" in any given country or zone.  If we cannot, is there any chance of figuring that out in time to save either?  And what would be required politically for a government to decide to save the "rest of the" economy?  

and this earlier quote i posted from stan goff

melo:

This extractive praxis inherently destroys biotic systems -- whether it be the body of a cow, or an entire ecosystem -- because no biotic system can survive being stripped for specific "high value" parts. Ecosystems, like animals, function as a whole. The rates of return demanded by finance capitalism are inherently incompatible with the rate of solar return expressed by natural growth patterns in biotic systems.


~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Nov 30th, 2008 at 10:46:27 PM EST
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in the newspapers can approach a subject where MSM dare not tread.

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 06:52:12 AM EST
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LOL! Now that you brought the subject up, I have seen many more insightful political cartoons and comics than op-eds and news articles!  I guess that is a traditional role of comedy, like the court jester.  Bring to the fore those things others can't say.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 08:43:55 AM EST
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Indeed, the court jester traditionally (cf King Lear and the Fool) was allowed (encouraged?) to say things to his master that no-one else could say without losing his or her head. But the message had to be couched in indirect terms - as a song, a riddle or a poem. The skill of presentation (cf 'Duelling' - the forerunner of rap) alleviated the latent criticism.

A rapper can say things about his 'opponent' that, said directly, would result in gunplay.

There is a whole list of Chinese movies that were critical of the Mao and Post-Mao period - at the time - that were political allegories, if you understood the symbolism. The scripts for these movies were so successfully obfuscated that they passed the censors.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 09:03:42 AM EST
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I think Beneath the Planet of the Apes was the first Hollywood production to feature protests against the Vietnam war, Conquest of the Planet of the Apes the first to feature rioting blacks against the police, and Battlestar Galactica portrayed the Iraq occupation form the pov of the occupied.

That which can not be said, can be said if it is space movies with apes and robots.

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!

by A swedish kind of death on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 10:58:53 AM EST
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Now perhaps we need a TV series How to Loot a Nation.  It could be done along the lines of the Sopranos, Deadwood, Mad Men, etc.  ET would probably contribute plot lines, situations and jokes as a public service.  That is probably the only way a wider understanding of how we got here and a possible way out could be embedded in the brains of more than a tiny few.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 11:08:53 AM EST
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The bit where Bush gets a hernia lifting George Washington's writing desk into a U-Haul helicopter is particularly amusing. The fact that Blackie, while his master is immobilised, starts to hump him, only adds to the mirth of the attendant marines as well as us at home. While some may find the humour closely related to the Whitehall Farce - and indeed some trousers do descend inauspiciously in the first episode: 'Emission Accomplished' - the hand of Judd Apatow is clearly evident.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 01:47:28 PM EST
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That would be the epilogue, while the credits are running.  I had in mind starting it during the Nixon Administration, with Chendy, Rummy, Miltie, Jerry F, Barry, Ronnie and freinds and a host of Democrats.  Change the names to protect the guilty, but make everyone identifiable, with traditional fictional disclaimers.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 06:15:55 PM EST
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Or change the guilty to protect the names...

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 07:11:03 PM EST
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To me, there's a difference between intentional concealed criticism and having narratives work on multiple levels by exploiting the zeitgeist.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Dec 1st, 2008 at 12:47:49 PM EST
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And you think these was not intentional?

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!
by A swedish kind of death on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 12:40:56 AM EST
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