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She's attacking the gay community there now?  Who isn't she trying to alienate?  

My eye is on the letter b which is a fairly typical response to my sexuality from lesbians who tell me that I have to be one thing or another.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Nov 8th, 2008 at 06:29:07 AM EST
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Having read it again, the article does descend into incoherence by the end; which strongly suggests we rattled her. I think she may come to regret this article cos in her intemperance, she aimed too widely and that will have been noted.

Despite having a couple of strangely supportive scolds on the threads, the Facebook discussions didn't go well for her. whilst continually calling for a "debate", she kept evading questions until her refusal to address certain points became the whole issue. She started off feeling like she was controllng the debate, and some fools did fall into the trap, but she lost control of it under pressure and pops in now and again to complain that we're the mean-trannies who are hatin' on her. Quite ridiculous.

ps did you see my update ?

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Nov 8th, 2008 at 06:42:11 AM EST
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Saw your update but can't find the video.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Nov 8th, 2008 at 06:53:30 AM EST
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OOps sorry



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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Nov 8th, 2008 at 06:56:47 AM EST
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I see you!!!

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Nov 8th, 2008 at 06:58:33 AM EST
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Yes, I think there is a certain amount of suspicion about the B within the gay community. I've heard lesbians say something along the lines of "you can always rely on a bi, they'll always leave you for a man". Plus, JB is of the persuasion that believes that lesbianism is a higher calling and that wasting your energies on a man is a betrayal of women.

But that's old fashioned 2nd wave essentialist bs, 3rd wave feminism has a more, open and accepting view, its a more mature feminism.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Nov 8th, 2008 at 06:48:54 AM EST
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Yeah I have had that discussion about different types of feminism with a friend before.  The essentialist approach is ridiculous and destructive.  It feels as though women want to punish men for being men, and to punish women who don't agree with their view which then does nothing to address inequality.  It just continues to alienate women even further.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Nov 8th, 2008 at 06:56:55 AM EST
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A guy I used to know lived with his wife and her girlfriend. The ammount of abuse they used to get at meetings for not being sufficiently comitted to the cause was unreal. Including claims that by not leaving the father of their child that they were opressing the gay and lesbian community.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Nov 10th, 2008 at 09:14:58 AM EST
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If the child had been male they would have been "ordered" to have leave him behind. Second wave feminism loved its hierarchies of who was real, who was more victimised, who was the real lesbian. It was a caste system invented by the rule makers to ensure they remained top dog bitch to enforce a "natural" order.

It's where the slur about "black gay diabled whales" originated. You'd read Spare Rib and the writer would slip in what their position in the hierarchy was to ensure everyone knew where they stood in relation.

Of course, women aren't competitive or bullying at all. How could it even be suggested ?

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Nov 10th, 2008 at 09:38:56 AM EST
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Possibly power is made more alluring by having been on the receiving end of domination...

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by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Mon Nov 10th, 2008 at 09:41:11 AM EST
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What was interesting was watching people create pecking orders whilst angrily denying they were doing any such thing. Everybody involved really beieved fervently that they had flat structures where all voices were equal when it was blatantly a hierarchy of assumed privilege. Such a joke.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Nov 10th, 2008 at 09:48:26 AM EST
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Helen:
It's where the slur about "black gay diabled whales" originated.

I do not understand what this slur is about at all. If anyone could explain it to me I would be grateful.

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by A swedish kind of death on Mon Nov 10th, 2008 at 01:11:19 PM EST
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