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Subsidies are more popular but both theory and practice argue against them. Subsidising clean energy requires politicians to decide on the best way of delivering it, and their judgment is likely to be worse than the market's. America's huge ethanol subsidies, for instance, have led to overinvestment in the businesses, which is now experiencing a sharp bust, and have helped drive up the price of food, with painful consequences for the world's poor. Germany's generous solar subsidies covered the roofs of one of the world's most sunless countries with solar cells, thus pushing up the price of silicon and reducing the cost-effectiveness of solar power in countries where it actually makes sense. Both subsidies promoted the wrong technologies; both wasted taxpayers' money.

These people are fucking idiots who have no idea how markets work. The German subsidies are pushing down the price of solar cells because the market is getting large enough for scale effects. And... you can actually export solar panels. Most solar cell companies are now in Germany, for a very good reason.

So green industrial policy is smart industrial policy. As long as you don't invest in dead ends, like biofuels or (eventually, I think) fuel cells.

The economist denies this for ideological reasons only. It believes the state should not be in the business of allocating resources. Instead, it thinks it should be the exclusive province of the banks.

(the 'market' being another word for banks under financial capitalism)

We've seen how well that works.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Nov 7th, 2008 at 06:35:28 AM EST
 They're not "fucking idiots" - unfortunately. Never underestimate the enemy. Jerome's point about "spite" seems more apt.

To support your point about Germany, which is going to reduce subsidies:


While the news surrounding the subsidy changes have sent stocks see-sawing, they haven't created large shifts and in many cases have increased share market values. The drop in subsidies, in my mind, is a clear indicator that the industry is now at a point where their success is guaranteed and no longer needs the help of the government to be profitable. This is evinced by the fact that following the announcements of cuts, Bosch said it will be investing over 500 million € for a controlling share of Ersol, a major solar manufacturer, and might even put in nearly double that for full control. Clearly an industry in crisis would not even contemplate such a move.

http://ecolectic.org/?p=187



Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Fri Nov 7th, 2008 at 07:21:02 AM EST
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Plausible enough. The point they are making is exceedingly stupid and goes against most of the thinking behind own their free market credo (international competition brings prices down, markets are not a zero-sum game, etcetera).
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Nov 7th, 2008 at 08:49:26 AM EST
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But that's always been an excuse, not a credo. The Econo's real credo is that rich people should be allowed to do whatever they like, especially if it makes them richer.

Responsibility and long term planning have never been a part of that, because they cramp their ability to pile up the cash and party.

The problem with a Green Strategy is that opportunities for making a big stinking pile of cash are more limited than they would be in other areas - which is not to say that they're not available, but no one is going to get as much of an adrenaline rush from building a windfarm as from building a planet-spanning derivatives empire which could implode at any moment.

Green energy is measured, intelligent, sensible and mature, which makes it utterly the wrong choice if you're one of the Econo's consumers of financial crack.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Nov 7th, 2008 at 08:57:22 AM EST
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Indeed. And there is a turf war of sorts that mirrors the greed motive, as I stated above and metatone also indicated. They want their customers, the bankers in the City and in NYC, to make the decisions on how society allocates its resources, not the goverment.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Nov 7th, 2008 at 09:04:35 AM EST
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One of the problems with wind-farm development is that it is so boringly predictable and secure - about as exciting as putting your money in a (secure) bank.  So where are the speculators and risk takers going to get their windfall gains (sic), adrenaline rush and big bonuses?

Vote McCain for war without gain
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Fri Nov 7th, 2008 at 09:41:24 AM EST
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"The point they are making is exceedingly stupid"

So, most people now know - painfully, was the whole "set the markets free" ideology, but some pretty smart people managed to convince a great many not entirely stupid others that this was correct almost to the brink of disaster.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Fri Nov 7th, 2008 at 10:42:21 AM EST
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