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I agree completely that we need a greater focus on reason, empirical results and predictive power (science, if you will) in our political life. But that does not obviate the need for political decisions.

I also agree that there is a very broad consensus that letting poor people starve in the gutter is wrong, even if it is in the short-term interest of the oligarchy. However, even when backed by a massive (if not quite unanimous - Uncle Miltie and his Chicago Boyz would disagree) consensus, it remains a political position, and there is no point pretending that it's scientifically supported.

In fact, I think it can be downright harmful to present what is inherently a political decision as a technical matter than can be unambiguously resolved through the scientific method. After all, Uncle Miltie and Maggie Thatcher got a lot of traction out of obfuscating the political decisions that underlie much of the economic science (and pseudoscience) that they used.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Nov 10th, 2008 at 08:17:58 AM EST
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The points that I was trying to make up thread were:

  1. What ever changes we may need to make in our approach to the organization and direction of society and/or to our understanding of ourselves, and whatever is meant by "beyond reason," remedies cannot involve abandoning or repudiating reason.

  2. That our minds and our mental abilities, including  reason and self conscious awareness, are products of evolution, that reason is only one component, albeit  a very important component, of our capabilities and that perhaps we need to do a better job of supplementing our powers of reason with our other mental tools.

  3. That we need more focus on the nature of our inner functioning, (brain science), and our interpersonal functioning, (anthropology, sociology and political economy), unless we are satisfied with our existing institutions.

  4. That this likely will involve an increase in several aspects of our awareness and a refinement of our consciousness.  We are aware of these problems, for instance the "externalization" of environmental and human costs in our economics, but we have thus far largely been unable to remedy them.

  5. That over-valuation of reason may be almost as damaging as devaluation of reason.

As to perspective or context, that was what I was attempting to provide in the first several paragraphs of my comment above.  

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Nov 10th, 2008 at 11:55:10 AM EST
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