But that's not even the point. We're not discussing religion here, it is not me who brought this topic, and if you or linca see the faith or the church as an instrument of oppression, as something wrong, or a delusion, this is your right to free thinking. The terms you put it here bring you on the border of free speech - I'm not sure delusional is not an insult according to the law. But it's the sense of intolerance that disturbs me. Can you really not conceive that amongst the deluded and oppressing, may be good people, helping those in need ? How can you generalize like this? Even when you had something personal against religion or the catholic church, airing this on a public forum borders hate speech. The same kind Helen was outing when calling names all those against Prop.8.
On te other hand, if this is a forum whose established, official political line is so, I'll gladly spare you of my presence.
I was looking for a forum more about mutual respect, freedom to not be judged for personal values, rational argumenting, basic tolerance. Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last! (Martin Luther King)
The terms you put it here bring you on the border of free speech - I'm not sure delusional is not an insult according to the law.
"A delusion is commonly defined as a fixed false belief and is used in everyday language to describe a belief that is either false, fanciful or derived from deception. ...:
If the shoe fits ...
Can you really not conceive that amongst the deluded and oppressing, may be good people, helping those in need ?
I was looking for a forum more about mutual respect, freedom to not be judged for personal values, rational argumenting, basic tolerance.
Or else you can just go outside, call someone out there deluded and see if they take it as an insult or not :) Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last! (Martin Luther King)
However, it seems to me a lot of what you have to say about unions, strikers, social policies, the excessive pay of train-drivers, etc, is very much part of beliefs that are "commonly accepted".
Somehow, seeing you as part of a downtrodden minority, in a country where your views can be commonly heard and are above all touted by the ruling party and president, doesn't quite work for me.
As to strikers, I spoke precisely about the Paris transports. I'll gladly add most French train worker unions. I never generalized.
I had one only problem with "social policies": vilifying categories and excessive use of superficial statistics. I tried to prove my point, and InWales has agreed that fairness goes both ways. It is saddening that you had the impression you had. My middle names are Moderation, Tolerance, and ItAllGoesBothWays. :)
(does anyone ever smile over here, btw, or am I really looking like the black sheep) Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last! (Martin Luther King)
Well, technically, the Catholic Church split off Orthodox Christianity by claiming the primacy of Rome. *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
Nope. That was one patriarch among several equals claiming a place above the others. Orthodox Christianity never had and still doesn't have one single head. (And a branch taking off is also two sides that get divided.)
It's the first time I hear that, frankly.
Well -- based on what you wrote so far, I am not surprised. Maybe I should tell you about the multiple Messsiahs and about Constantine's volte face someday. *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
Mutually. A mutuaally consented divorce.
Do you have any proof, quotation or link to an authority calling the Catholic church a sect of the Orthodox ? Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last! (Martin Luther King)
