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It's a very silly survey, this.

The 'anomie index' is very poor science. It seems to have been invented in the 70s, never tested properly, and not updated since then. It ignores things like Internet socialising and work relationships, and also doesn't ask if perhaps people are more self-reliant than they used to be.

It also doesn't ask how people actually feel.

The league table on the BBC site is ridiculous. What does a difference of 0.7 between London and Edinburgh actually mean? Is it statistically significant?

It's also part of the media's 'The UK's relentless world of eternal misery and woe - it's a bit crap really, isn't it?' negative reporting mindset.

Was 'community' ever really the idyllic world it was supposed to be? People may have chatted over their garden fences, but at the same time family life was often drunken and violent, with systematic child abuse. There was no mechanism for reporting dysfunction, and no media or social framing for it, so it wasn't seen as the problem it is now. That doesn't mean it wasn't important - it was more that expectations were low, and family violence of every kind was seen as background noise.

Besides - I can think of places like Brighton which seem to be quite fun places to live, even though the turnover of people is likely to be quite high, so they'd score high on this faked-up anomie index.

What makes people engaged now isn't a nostalgic hankering for a rooted family life which never existed, but chances to meet people and do fun stuff.

If there's loneliness it's because the UK's social culture revolves around getting bladdered, which is a pastime of limited appeal. But even out here it's not impossible to find cool people and cool things to do, and this is hardly the cosmpolitan hub of the bustling South.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 01:04:30 PM EST
What makes people engaged now isn't a nostalgic hankering for a rooted family life which never existed, but chances to meet people and do fun stuff.

And you say the BBC survey is "ridiculous" ! "Rooted family life" "never" existed ? ! But people now can be engaged because they can meet and do "fun stuff" - UK - now a fun country - someone should tell Brown :-)


If there's loneliness it's because the UK's social culture revolves around getting bladdered, which is a pastime of limited appeal. But even out here it's not impossible to find cool people and cool things to do, and this is hardly the cosmpolitan hub of the bustling South.

"If there's loneliness" - is there really any "if" ?


  Tuesday, 04 November 2008

A survey has revealed that more than a million elderly people are suffering from loneliness in the UK.

Research by charity Help the Aged shows that almost half a million pensioners leave their homes only once a week. In addition, a further 300,000 are completely housebound.

 http://www.seniorsdiscounts.co.uk/recent-news/elderly-suffering-from-loneliness-in-the-uk.html

So there's clearly more than just your explanation for loneliness - that UK "social life" revolves around "getting bladdered". It sounds as if you are accepting a journalistic cliché. Of course UK social life is far more complex and diverse than that which regularly gets the headlines, bad as the "bladdered" minority are.


"We know from our Taking Part survey that nearly 70 per cent of people in England attend and participate in a huge range of arts and craft activities from book clubs to amateur orchestras and from lace-making to ballet and ballroom dancing.

"Much of this activity isn't through publicly-funded organisations so it is important to take into account the thousands of people who participate in the voluntary and amateur arts sector

http://www.seco.org.uk/from_ballroom_dancing_to_book_clubs.html



Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 at 06:15:36 PM EST
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