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How about language a non-(physics/math) wiz could understand?

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Thu Dec 18th, 2008 at 10:07:41 AM EST
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You can come up with a mean-reverting stochastic model which might superficially replicate the periods of "stable" prices. This could be extended to a model in which there are two nearby "stable" prices, in which case the stochastic model would look superficially similar to what rdf posted. You could then imagine that the position of the "stable" prices and their relative stabllity would change slowly with time. This would entail that after jumping back and forth the "square wave" would not return exactly to the previous "stable" level. Finally, you could model a the emergence of a new regime. Initially you would have just a single stable price but then a second stable point would develop and gradually become dominant. For the period where neither of the two points is dominant you would observe jumps back and forth in rdf's square wave fashion. Eventually the new regime would take over.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Dec 18th, 2008 at 11:17:07 AM EST
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Oh, of course.  How simple.  What was I thinking?  What?

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Thu Dec 18th, 2008 at 11:30:38 AM EST
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Okay, answer me this. Do you understand rdf's top-level comment, fully?

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Dec 18th, 2008 at 11:35:27 AM EST
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Doubt it.

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Thu Dec 18th, 2008 at 11:40:21 AM EST
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So maybe you can start by enumerating the bits (jargon or full sentences, or charts) of his comment you don't understand and we'll go from there. Eventually we might get to my comment.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Dec 18th, 2008 at 11:42:18 AM EST
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Sh*t, I'm an old f*ck.  By the time we get there, my corpse will be toasting in a cremation oven.  What a warm, cozy thought.

Thanks anyway.

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Thu Dec 18th, 2008 at 12:00:37 PM EST
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My point is, if you understood rdf you would be able to ask me more than "Wud!!??"

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Dec 18th, 2008 at 12:01:34 PM EST
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Correct.

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Thu Dec 18th, 2008 at 12:02:45 PM EST
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When chaging between 2 stable states, there is chaos during the change.

Previous stable state: Anglo-disease (30 years of it)
Now: Chaos (the chaos can still increase from our current point, or decrease...)
Sometime in the future: another stable state (insert your favourite forecast of the future here).

by t-------------- on Thu Dec 18th, 2008 at 11:48:05 AM EST
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By the way one can only apply this to peak oil. We are in chaos space now.

Of course, as to peak oil we can also think that the model(s) (in the short-medium term) are fcking wrong: as most models have an implicit assumption of inifite demannd (or demand to the level of maximum production).

If demand falls dramatically then there might not be peak oil after all (especially if, in the mean time, or dear leaders are prescient enough to take this oppportunity to convert our economies from black to green)

by t-------------- on Thu Dec 18th, 2008 at 11:55:42 AM EST
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By the way one can only apply this to peak oil.

Can you explain this?

If that is the case, the "old state" cannot be simply described as "Anglo Disease".

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Dec 18th, 2008 at 11:59:02 AM EST
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I mean the wave model. Only the model and not the instance. In this case:

Old state: low prices
Chaos: The current ups and downs
New state: high prices

But again, peak oil might be wrong if demand goes down and there is a massive switch from black to green (energy) before demand rises again.

by t-------------- on Thu Dec 18th, 2008 at 12:19:52 PM EST
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There may be more than two states.

There's also no guarantee of stability. Because in fact we haven't really had economic stability for the last thirty years - far from it.

What we've had is a relatively stable political system which has been implemented and sustained using economic jargon as a rhetorical narrative device.

Expecting that economic jargon - which is made of sandcastles floating on bullshit, as JK Galbraith has almost pointed out - to provide an insight into any stable political system in the future might possibly be optimistic.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Dec 18th, 2008 at 05:12:14 PM EST
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