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No love lost on the pope, who for my part is as closeted as they come.

As for Obama, I agree with Cascio. And, I think, Klein. And whatever DKos user has that Roosevelt quote in his sig line that says 'now make me do it'.

It's up to us to move the centre. Although I have some minor disagreements about how much BS we can throw. There's a reason the right wing lost its credibility in the States. So, that's what today is about, and 2009.

Open the Future: Overton, Warren, and Re-Making the Middle

If the selection of Warren had been met only with "ho hum, it doesn't matter much, and it's useful politics for Obama," the conventional wisdom that Warren represents some kind of moderate position would be further solidified -- "see, even the crazy lefties think he's a moderate!" -- and might even give a subtle push to the idea that Warren is actually kind of liberal.

But with this immediate and loud turmoil over the choice, the conventional wisdom that Warren is a moderate gets eroded, and a new mainstream notion starts to emerge: Warren's views are actually pretty conservative, and Obama is being nice to the right wing in this, not simply embracing the center.

Happy holidays. Hope to go to Paris next year and meet up with you and many others.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Dec 22nd, 2008 at 09:12:41 PM EST
Yea - sorry you missed Paris, I would have enjoyed meeting up with you.  I have long given up trying to accommodate myself to some kind of notional (and shifting) political "centre".  Firstly it was too hard - I was too far off base to begin with.  And secondly, no one respects you when you do.  So now I am my own centre and people can relate to that, or not, as they choose.  That process led me out of paid employment but at least not before I could afford to do so.  I appreciate its much harder if you are still trying to earn a living.  However that also gives me a sense of responsibility towards those who don't have a similar freedom.

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Dec 23rd, 2008 at 07:19:24 AM EST
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