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by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 11:50:28 AM EST
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You forgot TALL !

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by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot frança) on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 at 04:10:43 PM EST
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[ET Moderation Technology™]

Some - particularly women, but not only - find this kind of comment offensive.

And at the very least, TWANK, ET doesn't need the men's locker-room atmosphere to be lively and interesting.

Moderate thyself in consequence?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 04:54:11 AM EST
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What needs to be moderated is my sense of humor.  What a bunch of fuddy-duddies.


In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 05:16:18 AM EST
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Yeah, we're fuddy-duddies and we think that's cool :-)
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 05:33:43 AM EST
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If your sense of humour is not shared by everyone, the thing to do is to keep it to those you share it with -- rather than insult those who already see yours as insulting rather than humorous.

[ET Moderation Technology™]

Next time I may take action on such comments.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 05:47:30 AM EST
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Externalities?

I do find Twank's comments rather useless and sometimes distasteful. BUT...

Commenting more generally, I wonder if we are not putting ourselves in some kind of politically correct straight jacket. I sometimes think that these sort of rules condition our minds to automatically discard some paths, which, sometimes, take us to interesting conclusions. It is not the restraints that you are putting on him, but on yourself.

And I do agree with him in one thing: things are taken a bit too seriously and I wonder if that is not a sign of intolerance?

We all have topics that offend us. Even worse than offense they can cause personal distress. In my case (I am obsessive compulsive, and I obsess with cancer) discussing cancer might have stern personal consequences in my daily happiness.

While I am afraid Twank's signal to noise ratio is quite poor I wonder if his comments don't give some interesting touch to what is otherwise a "too serious" site.

by t-------------- on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 06:02:21 AM EST
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If we always let distasteful comemnts go without at least pointing out that they aren't really appropriate, then we risk letting ET slide into being like other blogs where people constantly use oppressive and abusive language.  

They seem like little things and unimportant but when it is never challenged it can often develop into the foundation for bigger things and a more pervasive culture that excludes people.  We aren't slamming any rules down or deleting anything but just asking to be a little more considerate about whether something else would suffice without causing offence.  It isn't intolerance and there isn't a need for this particular comment to become the focus of a great debate, but it is part of a wider thing that just needs a nudge about.

rg's comments invariably add an 'interesting' touch and can sometimes be fairly controversial but I can't think of any times when that has slipped into becoming offensive.

btw I can think of a blog that Helen pointed me at recently and in their intro they state that they moderate all comments and will not accept anything that is x,y,z.  And they get to decide whether a comment breaches their rules and they appear to lay these rules down arbitrarily depending on how they feel.  We make no attempt to do anything like that.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 06:43:03 AM EST
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Well:
For the case a user misbehaves consistently and grossly, including persistent grossly abusive, racist, sexist, etc. comments or diaries, but especially if s/he keeps getting troll-rated, frontpagers have an announced banning policy.

We also reserve he right kill content likely to be deemed criminal or damaging. And spam.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 06:53:06 AM EST
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I think what causes offense is in the mind of the offendee.  I may be offending people with my every last post--even the sight of my user id may offend some, but they maybe hold back from saying "I am offended by his very initials!" because there is an invisible and fuzzy (hat tip to Lily for that word!) line with offensive on one side and inoffensive on the other, and "oooer, I'm not sure about that one...what does everyone else think?" somewhere in the middle.

A site that seeks to offend no one--is itself offensive to some--heh!

I'd say a general rule might be that if you are offended, you can by all means say so--and the offender can (hopefully) take note.  I'd be very wary, though, of being offended on behalf of others.  ("Well, I'm not offended--but others might be!")

Now you have reminded me of a true story:

A house party has been organised, the guests are arriving, people milling around, maybe the ice is waiting to be broken.  A woman comes in and says, "I've just heard the most amazing story, I have to tell you all, though it's not for the easily offended."

A man sitting on the sofa says,

"Well, I'm easily offended!"

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 07:32:17 AM EST
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things are taken a bit too seriously and I wonder if that is not a sign of intolerance?

So we let such things go, and then get complaints about an unfriendly atmosphere to women. That's fact, not conjecture.

Just as there are complaints that (recently, re the Open Threads) there's too much messing about and triviality, and not enough serious discussion.

<sigh>

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 06:56:18 AM EST
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Really, there are hook-up services for this... ET aint' one.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 05:04:48 AM EST
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Yeah, right.

I'm trying to "hook-up" here in California with women in Scandinavia.  How does that actually work?

What's that old saying?  Chill out, people.  Stop taking it all soooo seriously.

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 05:18:59 AM EST
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It is just unnecessary to make comments like that.  You can be funny without being offensive.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 05:24:30 AM EST
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Maybe it's you who should take other people's sensibilities more seriously.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 05:48:32 AM EST
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