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That sorta doesn't "ideologically" count in my view, as this is arguably a natural reaction to Soviet occupation.

Give them a generation.

Italy...they've have more than a few such generations to purge themselves of the bile, and yet they give us, over and over again, Burlesquoni. Which is, if you think about it, and after four recessions they've gotten themselves for their trouble in just the past decade or so, pretty fucking amazing, and makes you wonder how they made it into Schengen, the Eurozone and ultimately the EU itself.

Fai de bèn a Bertrand, te lou rendra en cagant

by redstar on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 05:10:40 AM EST
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this is arguably a natural reaction to Soviet occupation

I disagree. Yes, there is some of that. There is also (much more strongly) that many nasty things that existed before came back to the surface from under the lid of that occupation. But, there is also the effect of the societal damage wrought by the IMF-pushed 'reforms' post-1989. And there is also the failure to strongly push a better political culture, both on the part of domestic left-liberal intellectuals, and EU representatives during the long accession process (still on-going say in Croatia).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 05:17:04 AM EST
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Well, democracy in Italy was pretty thoroughly sabotaged in the couple of decades immediately following the War. That was forty years ago, of course, so I don't know how much it counts for as excuses go.

- Jake

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 08:05:26 AM EST
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