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talos: if you leave out some sort of regional belonging, there is precious little room IMHO for democracy, no room for self-determination and certainly no room for community in any meaningful shape.

that's a real good and tough point: does society/community depend first of all on geography?

i am not sure.

what i was trying to convey -- and the issues are definitely intertwined -- was very well expressed by Todd in an interview afew translated:

Emmanuel Todd : The protectionist revolution, current affairs debates : Le Point - Elisabeth Lévy (translated by afew)

... implemented at a collective supranational level, free from any ethnic or State founding myth, would demonstrate that have moved up to a higher state of human consciousness and of historical development.

i don't know if i buy (or even understand) the concept of "cooperative protectionism" he was describing in this passage, but replace that with "society/community in general", and it describes very well what i was trying to get at.

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 10:37:13 PM EST
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I am not sure either, but I reckon that it does begin with geography. I assume that every hierarchy of belonging and of social organization needs a real lived material base.

The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom - William Blake
by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Fri Dec 5th, 2008 at 11:39:02 AM EST
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