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European Salon de News, Discussion et Klatsch - 12. January | 132 comments (132 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

BBC NEWS | World | Middle East | Israel is 'nearing Gaza goals'

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has said Israel is nearing the goals of its military campaign in the Gaza Strip, as he signalled it would continue.
He urged more patience and effort, as Israel's troops reportedly engaged in fierce fighting in Gaza City.
The Israeli army said reserve units were in place in Gaza, but this did not signal a "new push" against militants.
Palestinian medics say 879 people have been killed during the 16-day conflict. Thirteen Israelis have died.
Palestinian sources said 29 people were killed across Gaza on Sunday - 17 in Gaza City.
Israeli officials said at least 12 rockets were fired by Palestinian militants into southern Israel.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Jan 11th, 2009 at 03:04:19 PM EST
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Re: World (none / 1)

Getting ready to "declare victory and leave".

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jan 11th, 2009 at 03:07:14 PM EST
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Re: World (none / 0)

Define victory. It's relatively easy to lay a siege and then bomb a civilian population into the Stone Age.

It's another thing entirely to make peace. Military victories are political defeats.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jan 11th, 2009 at 04:16:22 PM EST
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Re: World (none / 0)

You don't have to explain what you mean by "we won". The point is to fool the public.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jan 11th, 2009 at 04:56:24 PM EST
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Re: World (none / 1)

gk details one objection to that one. however, I just htink this is all counter-productive. Just like in Afghanistan, this is all military smiting without a realistic idea of how what they're doing will achieve the result they claim to desire. In fact, it's so unlikely to result in any recogniseable form of peace, one might be tempted to suggest that certain political groups recognise that war without is the easy path to power.

even the US seems to be losing its addiction to fear, shame the israelis haven't.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jan 11th, 2009 at 06:11:51 PM EST
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Re: World (none / 0)

The Israelis are decimating Hamas to support PLO/Fatah in their civil war, and the operation will conclude well before January 20th so as not to spoil Obama's inauguration.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 10:44:00 AM EST
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Re: World (4.00 / 3)

That works if you're the US invading somewhere on the other side of the world. But if Israel declares victory and leaves, and the rockets immediately start falling again, nobody will be convinced. They'll probably have to wait until after the election before declaring victory.

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Sun Jan 11th, 2009 at 04:22:40 PM EST
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Re: World (4.00 / 2)

they have to be out of there before Bush leaves office.

by paving on Sun Jan 11th, 2009 at 04:41:24 PM EST
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I'm not convinced about that any more. I imagine that Obama's silence is being interpreted by both sides as he will continue the current US policy of being entirely on Israel's side, and thus do nothing substantive about the IP situation when he is in WH.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jan 11th, 2009 at 06:14:45 PM EST
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Re: World (none / 0)

We'll have to wait for his inaugural address next week.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 04:47:59 AM EST
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