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WHY (the hell) Israel is "part of the West"? It is not west, it is not Christian (if you look by standards of previous centuries)...There are others who have democracy, who have market economy etc. (and who are even Christians and Europeans) but still they are NOT part of the West. Even culturally and linguistically they are much closer to their neighbors then to the West Europeans...So this do not "hold water" for me.
Then again Germany was part of the West but it did not bother West to go in to the war with Germany when it ventured in to the fascism? So I still need better explanation for Western support of fascistic state of Israel. And it usually is about money in Western sphere...
The list of the companies (if not fake) that support Israeli government tells a lot to me...
by vbo on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 09:46:58 PM EST
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Because the Ashkenazi Jews are Central/Eastern Europeans (Poles Germans). The Sephardic Jews are os Spanish descent. In recent times you had Russian Jews immigrating in massive numbers. I mean, Jiddish is a Germanic, not semitic language. Zionism is a 19th Century European Romantic Nationalist movement. Israel really is a European enclave in the Middle East, culturally.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 10:00:46 PM EST
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Hebrew#Modern_Hebrew
Hebrew (עִבְרִית, `Ivrit) is a Semitic language of the Afro-Asiatic language family. Modern Hebrew is spoken by more than seven million people in Israel and used for prayer or study in Jewish communities around the world. It is the official language of Israel, though English and Arabic are also used there.

I doubt that Jews you are talking about ( Western European Jews generally) live in Israel today...
Israel really is a European enclave in the Middle East, culturally.

Well yes, it all depends what people want to see...But Israelis will have to come to terms that their state is not in Europe and that their neighbors are millions of Arabs...they will need to learn how to live amidst them or they will disappear...
by vbo on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 10:29:31 PM EST
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The Ashkenazi Jews are not Western European Jews.
Many Ashkenazi Jews later migrated, largely eastward, forming communities in non German-speaking areas, including Hungary, Poland, Lithuania, Russia, Eastern Europe, and elsewhere between the 10th and 19th centuries. With them, they took and diversified Yiddish, a Germanic Jewish language that had since medieval times been the lingua franca among Ashkenazi Jews. To a much lesser extent, the Judæo-French language Zarphatic and the Slavic-based Knaanic (Judæo-Czech) were also spoken. The Ashkenazi Jews developed a distinct culture and liturgy influenced, to varying degrees, by interaction with surrounding peoples, predominantly Germans, Austrians, Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Kashubians, Hungarians, Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Latvians, Belarusians, and Russians.
Although in the 11th century they comprised only 3% of the world's Jewish population, Ashkenazi Jews accounted for (at their highest) 92% of the world's Jews in 1931 and today make up approximately 80% of Jews worldwide.[3] Most Jewish communities with extended histories in Europe are Ashkenazim, with the exception of those associated with the Mediterranean region. The majority of the Jews who migrated from Europe to other continents in the past two centuries are Ashkenazim, Eastern Ashkenazim in particular. This is especially true in the United States, where 6 out of the 7 million American Jewish population -- the largest Jewish population in the world when consistent statistical parameters are employed[4] -- is Ashkenazi, representing the world's single largest concentration of Ashkenazim.
(source: wikipeida)

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 10:39:36 PM EST
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Thank you for this information but it looks like Ashkenazi Jews live mostly in USA and there for I understand how they are an "European cultural enclave" in USA (but not in Israel)...so to speak...
by vbo on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 11:33:31 PM EST
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The list of the companies (if not fake) that support Israeli government tells a lot to me...

The list is of foreign direct investment. It's not direct support for the government.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 10:02:11 PM EST
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The list is of foreign direct investment. It's not direct support for the government.

Oh really? Again depends how you want to see it.Israel does not look like safe place to invest money amidst all those wars and potential wars...all tho the profit may be high...
Investing in Hitler's Germany was considered as support to Hitler (after the WWII) I can see analogy here...
by vbo on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 10:41:38 PM EST
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Israel does not look like safe place to invest money amidst all those wars and potential wars...

Huh, Israel is the local military hegemon (thanks in part but not exclusively - and maybe not even mainly - to all that US military aid).

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jan 10th, 2009 at 03:48:22 AM EST
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Israel
Israel is one of the world's major exporters of military equipment, accounting for 10%[citation needed] of the world total in 2007.

War economy...great for investment!
by vbo on Sat Jan 10th, 2009 at 12:00:51 AM EST
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