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Nato warning for Russia over 'political' gas crisis - Times Online

Frantic efforts to restore gas supplies to millions of European comsumers failed today after Russia flatly refused to turn the pipeline back on.

A European Union plan to send monitors to both countries, agreed in principle by Moscow and Kiev as a way of breaking the deadlock between them, faltered at the 11th hour when Russia demanded that its own inspectors should be sent into Ukraine alongside independent experts.

The row has has left 12 countries without any deliveries in freezing temperatures and seen hundreds of schools and factories closed to conserve fuel. Hundreds of thousands of people across the Balkans, the worst-affected region, found themselves without heating and some hospitals were forced to close in Serbia as the thermometer dipped below minus 10 degrees Celsius.

A senior US diplomat warned that Nato might have to intervene to help alliance members such as Bulgaria and Romania if the crisis drags on. "There is a commercial dispute at the heart of this, but this also has political overtones - we have seen Russia over time using such events to gain political leverage," said US Ambassador to Nato Kurt Volker.

[Murdoch Alert]
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 03:57:47 PM EST
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Well, that's helpful.

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (michael<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 05:10:08 PM EST
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Perhaps the NATO let their subscription to ET lapse, where it was reported yesterday that the presidents or premiers or whatever of both countries said there were enough reserves for most of the winter.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 05:17:35 PM EST
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It all depends on how you define reserves. I would give those stories of shortages in bulgaria considerable credence. What the reserve gas is for is not for normal domestic consumption but for other uses (ie for the elites). I don't know if they use gas for electricity generation, but i do know bulgarian electricity is shambolic anyway. so any reduction in capacity will have a profound effect on supply.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 05:38:55 PM EST
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From yesterday's Salon:

XInhua: Bulgaria can live on gas shortage regime for 100 days: president (2009-01-08)

Bulgaria faces no austerity measures in electricity consumption, and no termination of central heating, and its economy could function for up to 100 days on the country's reserves, Bulgarian President Georgi Parvanov announced Wednesday.
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In the president's words, the only effect of the gas shortage that most Bulgarians would feel was slight reduction in the amount of heat they received from the central heating plants.

In the medium run, Parvanov mentioned some other measures to provide for Bulgaria's energy security including the expansion of the Chiren storage facility, and more importantly, building a 70-kilometers long gas transit pipeline between the Bulgarian city of Dimitrovgrad and the Greek town of Komotini, with which Bulgaria would join the Turkey-Greece-Italy pipeline.

Also Xinhua: PM: Romania capable of coping with gas supply for winter (2009-01-08)

Romania has enough of its own natural gas stocks and production to manage despite the cut-off of its Russian gas supplies, Prime Minister Emil Boc said Wednesday.
Boc made the statement after discussing the natural gas crisis with President Traian Basescu. He said that they agreed that Romania has to look for alternative energy resources so as to avoid similar problems in the future.

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Boc said that with current stocks, Romania is capable of supplying enough gas for heating in the winter as long as there is no extreme weather.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 04:40:10 AM EST
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And of course who cares about Serbia? Serbia is not in EU so Serbs can die frozen freely...And the only country marked as already suffering ( closing hospital) is Serbia.You guys amaze me...
by vbo on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 05:21:48 AM EST
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Well what about Serbia? If you would put up a substantive and sourced post I'm sure we would all read it with interest.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 05:35:19 AM EST
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I was just pointing to the fact that they reported how in Serbia they are closing hospitals and NO ONE cares about what will happen with Serbs while EVERYONE including even NATO is crying for Bulgarians and Romanians...Does this look OK to you?
by vbo on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 07:47:30 AM EST
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Of course not, but the information above is awfully vague.

That's why I hope you take my remark at face value.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 08:08:18 AM EST
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Nobody cares for Romania or Bulgaria either, it's just a convenient piece of news to stoke the panic.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 08:14:28 AM EST
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You may be very well right!
by vbo on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 08:25:30 AM EST
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I mean, for all we know the governments of Romania and Bulgaria could be lying about their ability to last for 100 days and cuts could indeed be taking place to end-users...

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 08:27:57 AM EST
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How about... the storage does exist, but the government has cut the gas anyway so as to score political points by screaming at Russia, pushing the "Russia is evil" line and opportunistically begging for EU/NATO help, which they might very well get...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 09:00:15 AM EST
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Yes, of course.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 09:03:45 AM EST
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that doens't make any sense historically. It is very difficult to find a bulgarian with a bad word to say about the russians, even now. As far as they're concerned the russians saved them twice. Once from the Ottaman empire, then from the nazis. They are, amazingly, very much both pro-russian and pro-western.

Communism to them wasn't a remote or imposed dictatorship. Their troubles were blamed squarely on the local tough guy who was, by all accounts, quite a nasty piece of work.

So it wouldn't make sense to blame russia for this for kudos from the EU. I actually think the senior gangsters are happy to say they have plenty of gas, cos as far as they're concerned regarding their needs, it's true.

But equally, I do think that there will be shortages of power and gas occuring cos that's Bulgaria. It could be cos the country is short of gas, or local intermediaries are taking a leaf out of the Ukrainian book and making a quick buck for themselves, but I wouldn't discount the stories. There will be cold people there.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 09:42:34 AM EST
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Thats very much my experience of Bulgarians too.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 09:46:40 AM EST
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I was thinking more of Romania and the others like Slovakia or Poland. Still, the Bulgarians might be sneaky enough to bank on the fact that not everybody in Brussels knows that they are friendly with the Russians...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 05:58:40 PM EST
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A senior US diplomat warned that Nato might have to intervene to help alliance members such as Bulgaria and Romania if the crisis drags on.

What a hell he means by "intervene"? Are they going to bomb Russia?If he wants to give gas to Bulgaria or Romania he is welcomed!
by vbo on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 05:25:21 AM EST
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Don't worry,i's just NATO trying to look relevant.

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 05:36:58 AM EST
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