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conservatism dressed up as progressive economic policy.

Granted you seem to agree on many occasions that public investment is needed on a number of fronts (housing, green energy, educational and transportation infrastructure). And I think you would also agree that these investments would be stimulative to the economy and thereby mitigate the severe recession (and perhaps the "d" word) which is gathering in Europe today and the absolutely certain stress it will put on the weakest among us, in particular workers who have had their protections bargained away, often by parties (like the SPD) who ostensibly represent them.

But you still insist on "pay-as-you-go" budget constraints, preferring a balanced budget environment to investment if both cannot be achieved at the same time, and you've never indicated what fiscal measures (and, of course, supporting non-fiscal measures to enforce those fiscal measures) you would specifically make in order to both have it your way, in the present environment, on the budget and also engage in stimulative, badly needed public investments in order to maintain employment and/or purchasing power of workers.

To me, this is simply Hayek with some high-sounding progressive principles to mask the deep, worker-damning conservatism which animates the underlying economic weltenshauung expressed here, and obviously, as expressed elsewhere, I think this is both deeply flawed and deeply anti-worker.

   

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by redstar on Thu Jan 1st, 2009 at 08:16:52 AM EST
between the "financial" economy and the so-called "real" economy, as you and Sarkozy do, muddies the picture. They are part and parcel of the same economic system; market capitalism and regularly occurring financial crises are synonymous, and in fact the crisis unfolding today (and it is far from done) is a feature, not a bug in the economic system whence it springs.

The rot may have happened in more extremely unregulated financial markets like New York and London, but Paris and Frankfurt are not immune, not by any stretch of the imagination, because even the best front-end and back-end risk management and control systems can contain the damage that the system inevitably provokes via speculative bubbles which have been with us as long as their has been a bourgeoisie and the expression, via markets, of their economic interests.

We give unmerited cover to neo-liberalism in particular, and liberalism in general, by insisting there is a difference between a "financial" economy and the "real" economy. And even in a properly constituted socialist economy, command or otherwise, one sees cadres and decision makers who determine credit and capital allocation, who could not really be called anything else but financial analysts when observed in the present systems doing to much damage to workers today.

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by redstar on Thu Jan 1st, 2009 at 08:28:09 AM EST
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I can't recall that many bubbles between the depression and the deregulation, and that period must no matter what be described as a time of great progress for ordinary people.

Having more socialism, regulation or whatever might well have the opposite effect. In for example Sweden, the stagnation did not begin with deregulation but with overregulation, which broke the back of the almost constant century-long rocket development of my country, between 1870-1970, perfectly exemplified by how both left and right politicians jointly destroyed the most high-tech industry we had.

 It took a quarter of a century to deal with the fallout and get back on track.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Jan 1st, 2009 at 08:43:49 AM EST
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There will always be an elite. You can have one that takes responsibility for the whole community, or one that takes care of itself only. Using money as a yardstick seems to favor the second kind of elites only.

I much prefer the capital allocation of the French technocats after WWII than the current one. They took pride in building systems that worked, not just in accumulating money.

Finance distorts the incentives by allowing selfish personal ones to be fulfilled via macroeconomic tools.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 1st, 2009 at 08:44:02 AM EST
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The difference is what to do now, and what to do when the left is in power (including punishing those responsible).

Happy New Year to you too, by the way!

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by redstar on Thu Jan 1st, 2009 at 09:20:21 AM EST
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redstar:
We give unmerited cover to neo-liberalism in particular, and liberalism in general, by insisting there is a difference between a "financial" economy and the "real" economy.

There is a difference.  

The financial economy is an intermediary layer between producers and consumers.

The big change is the emergence of direct "Peer to peer" connections. This is about to change the game IMHO and will disintermediate what is now an unnecessary layer.

"Any economic unit can emit money. The serious problem is to get it accepted" Hyman Minsky

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Thu Jan 1st, 2009 at 09:08:33 AM EST
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Even there, there is need for allocation decisions to take place, at the firm level, albeit in a much more distributed, less centralised, way.

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by redstar on Thu Jan 1st, 2009 at 09:14:02 AM EST
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Indeed.

The requirement is still there for providers of financial services. But as value adding partners, not as value extracting middlemen.

It's a market approach: but it's a market operating on a "Not for Loss" basis, rather than "For Profit". There is no "Profit" and no "Loss" within a partnership framework.

"Any economic unit can emit money. The serious problem is to get it accepted" Hyman Minsky

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Thu Jan 1st, 2009 at 10:36:02 AM EST
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I'm specifically calling for tax increases to match increased spending. Increase marginal rates, increase taxes on capital income, increase the gas tax, for starters, and use the money to increase the minimum wage, the  minimum sociaux or spending on basic social needs.

As starvid noted above, not increasign taxes now is akin to letting inflation deal with the revenue side of your stimulus, is a flat tax.

By pushing the notion that taxes cannot be increased, you sound like an objective ally of the neolibs. There - bonne année!

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 1st, 2009 at 08:39:26 AM EST
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a flat tax or a regressive one, so on this we simply have a fundamentally ideological difference. And, in any event, stimulus is not inflationary is the stimulative investments provide for increased prosperity in the future, which if done right would at least largely be the case. Any decent financial analyst can do the math - present value of cash flows at a proper risk premium of a state investment project, equal to today's outlays offset by tomorrow's benefits. If your NPV is, generally speaking, close to zero on the things you invest in, there's no inflation. So quite frankly, imho the inflation discussion is more than a bit of a red herring, and on a couple of different levels, given the subject and the gravity thereof.

Taxes of course can be increased. But unless you know something I don't, the UMP, the CDU/SPD, the Berlusconi and Balkenende governments are not going to do it until they've been tossed out of office, which in France is a long ways off. So, if you are insisting on tax increases to pay, today, for investments which are needed quite urgently, today, then you are saying that no investment should be undertaken under present circumstances. Here, it is you who is not being pragmatic, but rather, dogmatic. Where you accuse me of supposedly being (again) the objective ally of Sarkozy all the while borrowing his rhetoric on the real economy versus financial speculation, I would say rather that you appear to be hell-bent on worsening the crisis by doing nothing, and thereby condemning workers to even lower living standards, precarious housing, declining working conditions and greater overall exclusion and precarity, especially of the young and of minority workers.  

And in any case, where is your PS now on the subject, besides vague belly-aching about the bouclier fiscale which, even if repealed, wouldn't pay for anywhere near what what we are talking about.    

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by redstar on Thu Jan 1st, 2009 at 09:13:01 AM EST
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