On more than one occasion it's been made clear to me that my perspective is far out of the mainstream of accepted views here, this is another ongoing one.

I don't mean to be supercilious or anything about this, really I don't. It's just pretty clear this is not a particularly fruitful debate. On this and many other subjects we are talking past another. I'd rather go and be productive elsewhere.

Fai de bèn a Bertrand, te lou rendra en cagant