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What I found remarkable was that there is a consensus (ie, this is the overwhelimingly shared opinion of all thge speakers) that:

  • we have a major supply problem in, at most, a few years;
  • demand reduction is the way to go, starting with energy efficiency;
  • investment in energy infrastructure ie doubly a good thing to do: it's good for the energy problems, and it will be good to fight the current economic crisis

This is all things we've been saying for a while.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Dec 7th, 2008 at 06:33:50 AM EST
I think it is good that you see the glass as half full, it means that your professional efforts are starting to have a positive effect.

Critics, like me, see the glass as 1/4 full, the movement towards rationality is just going too slowly to alter the worst effects of over population and resource shortage in a timely enough manner to avoid major sorrow a few decades hence. It's odd that old guys like me, who certainly won't be around to see the misery, are more pessimistic than younger people, many of whom will still be here.

Perhaps pessimism just comes with age...

Policies not Politics
---- Daily Landscape

by rdf (robert.feinman@gmail.com) on Sun Dec 7th, 2008 at 11:15:44 AM EST
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You've had longer to realize that the wall really is tougher than your head, I suppose.  :-)
by Zwackus on Sun Dec 7th, 2008 at 04:22:29 PM EST
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Obama seems to be saying the same thing.  Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to surpass Europe in sustainable energy production during his Presidency!

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Sun Dec 7th, 2008 at 02:47:05 PM EST
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got to side with Jerome. In some cases the head is tougher than the wall - or maybe I've just lost feeling up there.

It's more galling to me to feel the arrogance emanating from some of those 'quoted' by Jerome. To think that to some degree we have to wait on those folks to actually accept reality before things will move forward is the real pain that I feel. And then we have to wait even longer for the clods that they have to convince.

In any case - good graph, nanne - as usual. The population thing is almost in our rear-view mirror in my opinion. Best to keep the energy thing in the headlights, as Jerome has described.

paul spencer

by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Sun Dec 7th, 2008 at 08:42:12 PM EST
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